Such a bizarre thread. I cannot tell you the last time I heard someone in the USA claim to be a Communist or a Communist supporter. Has to have been decades. I have met a handful of socialists but almost all of them were not true socialists but believed in a mixed economy with democratic elections. I am not sure what Communism really has to do with anything. The only “scary” Communist nation is China and they are not really Communist anymore, and everyone on the left views China as ran by a bunch of scumbags.
Too far left would be government takeover of the means of production. So, yes, I take some offense to the hammer & sickle.
The right has a firm grasp on what is too far and banishes them? No they don’t, they call them fine people and scream ANTIFA (the boogeyman).
Nope... everyone outside of China and North Korea has come to the conclusion that the CCP and the government of China is full of scumbags. Even Africa wants the CCP out after realizing what is going on. The vast majority of the world loves Chinese people but their government can suck a ***.
OP seems disappointed that Nazis aren't as accepted in America as Commies. It must cause you some real cognitive dissonance t that your president has allowed Putin to make him his b****. So what is Russia these days? Commies? Nazis? Who knows? You can goosestep with your buddies all you want. Don't be so disappoint.
I've never seen anyone here actually advocate for Stalinism or Maoism. I think what happens is some people ignorantly confuse the former two with Social Democratic platforms.
There are people that run for local politics under the communist party. But at the same time there’s also a dude that runs on a free ponies for everyone platform.
If communism wasn't stigmatized in this country the right wing wouldn't spam it as an attack to dismiss black activist movements.
Well said. @dachuda86 should broaden his sources of information and walk away from wherever he’s getting the nonsense he uncorks here from time to time, in my opinion. He’s been told that before.
And yet no one here will define the line of what is too far left. Everyone would rather attack me. Is it that you don't wish to do so, or you literally have no ideological understanding and such a task is impossible for you? I think it's rather simple. The left, mostly of course, lacks the ability to define reality because it's largely subjective in their view, and everything to them is a social construct. They also refuse to adopt consistent liberal principles. We are on page three of the thread and everyone is getting into side tangents. In the interest of staying on point, please define what is too far left. You don't have to use an ideology if you don't want to. You can even draw a line using principles and reason. Do you have consistent principles and beliefs? If you struggle with this question, then I must recommend you stop shoving your views on other people because how can you endorse what you yourself don't even understand fully? I posted this thread half expecting at least one person to be up to this challenge, but yet no one has tried. I also half expected this result. A swarm of angry locusts picking at the messenger instead of addressing the actual topic of discussion. So I will wait... what are you principles? What is too far left?
The right largely agrees about Nazism and white supremacy being a bad thing and a clear line. Ethno-nationalism and racism is largely drawn as the line the right won't cross. That is the difference... when someone wants to draw lines in society based on ethnic lines, racial lines, and religious lines, we have far right. And yes the people on the right do maintain that line with few exceptions far in between. Tucker Carlson just canned a far right *******. Cops who wanted a race war got fired as well. People take steps to clean these types of people from their ranks. Does the left fire far left racist professors or just give them tenure? Do people get banned off social media for far left views at the same rate as people who are far right? My point is the nazis and other far right groups, such as white supremacists, are bad, we agree across the board. But when it comes to the far left, NO ONE here is willing to put forward what groups and which ideologies are too far left. I want to know ya'lls views on this double standard and I want people to start thinking about where the healthy limits are on not just the right, but on the left.
Probably because we see the "far left" as far less dangerous threat than the far right given the fact rhat the far right racks up bodies far more efficiently. They even brag about being "more prepared to fight". They are a far more violent group that worships firearms and worships warrior culture. They are far more likely to go on a mass shooting spree or bomb a building. I'm referring to the American paradigm of left vs right.
Source: anecdotal It's really strange but it's a thing. It probably has been there for awhile, but I personally has just start hearing of it (directly from people that trusted me enough to "warn" me of danger) a few weeks ago. I think it coincides with BLM. BLM is somehow communist (see link below). I let them tell me all, listen carefully and I cannot figure any sense of it and when I ask very simple questions to understand more, like I have here sometime, they avoid direct conversation. I don't know if they don't know enough to converse about it, or they know they are standing on bs ground. ps. I see this coming from Asian older folks more than anyone and that might be because some of them have lived through communism. But what get me is, they have experienced communism first hand, know what it is, and yet they buy into the BS? Brain-washing is so powerful. Reading source of the trump right: https://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/black-lives-matter-bringing-back-traditional-marxism/ Key words / labels of BLM as communism: progressive movement safe spaces trigger warnings oppression class struggle You know, at best, it's a denial of what black faces and not allow them to have a voice. It's an inability to stop, listen and learn. At worse, they are just simply racists.
part of the reason is you are older and secondly associate with people who know better than to either support such a system or know better to admit it. The other part is communism has long since fallen off the euphemism treadmill
These are just terms It’s the leader behind the terms that really determines if that term is bad or not. But to play the game 1. nazism has only been betrayed as a bunch of hate groups. Movies, books, news, media, etc . I don’t know any Nazism supporters. Never meet one but plenty of videos of groups who preach nazism say some really hateful things. 2. Communism is a form of threat since the Cold War with Russia. While western movies, books, news, media etc promote communism as evil but we all have met people who come from a communist country and many of them are just like us western people who also complain about their own government. But it’s funny, when Russia was the largest threat, a commie was always known as a Russian..now when people say commie....it’s related to China. it’s wonderful how people can be brainwashed by our own governments/media etc . While we laugh at other countries who brainwash their citizens....little do we know we already been brainwashed by our own government....how else do we explain Trump being our president for almost 4 years
I want you to know that I really appreciate you coming out and publicly stating that Nazism is a (too) far-right ideology. I think you underestimate how many people on your own side would emphatically disagree with you on that. There are a great number of American conservatives who would curse you for saying that Nazism is anywhere on the rightward political spectrum and 'correct' you by informing you Nazism is actually leftist. I've read it here in D&D more times than I can remember. I appreciate your proposition and the question: "We all agree that Nazism is too far right, tell me what defines too far left?" What I want you to see is that much as you accuse the left of not knowing what is too extreme left, neither does the American right. Most of your fellow conservatives would not have the introspection to make the statement that Nazism lies on the rightward spectrum. I appreciate that you make the statement, I really do. Another poster has made the excellent point that "too far left" could be considered maximized individual liberty. That's a legit reply. But you ignore it. I already typed what I think is too far left in a previous post, yet you ignore that and repeat your question... and then declare that no one has answered, yet some of us have... it's kind of insulting that you pose an open question, ignore the answers, then do some rage-filled victory lap claiming no one answered you? I think that communism is too far left. I think that the elimination of private business is too far left. I think mandating all citizens at the same income level is too far. I think seizing the means of production is too far. I think that far-leftist paid professional Antifa "protesters" who destroy property and commit assault should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The left eats its own all the time. Remember senator Al Franken? There's tons of conflict on campuses with students holding teachers and administrations' feet to the fire of wokeness. Lefties tear each other up on social media all the time. Lefty Hollywood canceled Kevin Hart from doing the Oscars. And so on. I just can't agree with you that folks on the American right are holding each other accountable when the most powerful human on the planet constantly resorts to lies and demagoguery and is granted carte blanche or, at worst, "I didn't hear about it." I appreciate that there's some accountability elsewhere, but it's not near enough. I think some research has been done on this, some of it partisan, not sure what the findings are. I hope the extreme leftists who promote/condone violence against police and the destruction of property are banned. Other than that, what would be ban-worthy leftist stuff? "Eliminate all free markets! Let's all use the same sh*tty smartphone!"
