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Comey Senate Intelligence Panel testimony discussion thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Why didn't Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, or Obama have to worry about those deep state operatives...... It's like so many people who work around Trump think he is an incompetent buffoon.....
     
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  2. dmoneybangbang

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    When the Special Counsel concludes.
     
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  3. No Worries

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    Can you not seriously see the intellectual dishonesty in what you wrote?

    Trump and his team stated many different reasons. What was the real reason Trump fired Comey?

    You can picked the one that makes you happy, but you can not assert that this reason somehow rises above the others in truthfulness.

    Waiting for you to reply ... all the reasons trump gave are true.
     
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    To be precise, the Special Prosecutor will make the decision whether obstruction charges should be pursued.

    If the Special Prosecutor find enough evidence ...

    A sitting President can not be tried, so the Republican controlled Congress will need to decide whether to impeach or not.

    Democrats will be spectators throughout.
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    In your mind there can't be multiple reasons for someone being fired? If you look at every stated reason for him being fired, they all boil down to incompetence.....and you'd probably agree with that if this was done in November by Obama instead of when it was done by Trump.

    Like I said, I stated the given reason for why he was fired while you are making assumptions that the stated reasons are a lie based on nothing whatsoever.....all the while accusing me of making assumptions based on facts not in evidence. Can't you see how that's sort of funny?
     
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    Wildly not true.

    Trump the Candidate loved how Comey handled the Hillary email investigation. Trump the President upon reflection changed his mind. This reason does go to competence, but Trump is just pulling the Democrat's chain and is just not credible.

    The next reason up: FBI is in chaos? FBI discredited immediately.

    Next up: FBI has lost confidence in Comey. Again FBI discredited immediately.

    Last up: Trump wanted the Russian investigation to go away.

    IMO Trump is just spouting marketing. Throws out reasons, until one resonates and sticks. Truth is not even a consideration.
     
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  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Actually that is true even if you don't like it. Every example for why they fired Comey boils down to incompetence on his part. You can suggest that they things they allege are not true or that there was really some secret reason that you have no proof of but are convinced is the real truth anyway, but you can't make that statement. For example, let's go through this.

    Wildly inaccurate, he was very much unhappy that Comey decided to make the case go away after being pressured by his boss Lynch. The way he handled the case was incredibly incompetent from his decision to ignore the proof of crimes being committed to the ridiculous statements he gave at the time. Had he just done his job and passed on the evidence of crimes being committed to his boss, then only Democrats would be upset with it. The way he handled it pissed everyone off.

    It sure seems like it was with all of the leaks and nonsense going on.....but sure, if you want to believe nothing was wrong simply because they say "nah, we're good" then that's fine but you wouldn't give anyone else the benefit of the doubt if it wasn't going to further political narratives you support.

    This was not a stated reason, this is your assumption that is based on what you want to believe despite no actual evidence of it. While it is true that he wanted the investigation to be over and for the FBI director to publicly state what he told him many times, that he wasn't personally under investigation for anything, it's quite a leap to assume that was the "real reason" why he was fired. Firing Comey wouldn't really do anything when it comes to that investigation and if anything is likely to make the investigation last a bit longer.

    So given that you have nothing at all to base your assumptions on and your assumptions don't add up because they wouldn't even accomplish the stated goal, it's probably best that you just go with what they actually said until you get something solid to go on.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Also, just for fun let's pretend you haven't made your mind up based on zero evidence that Trump is guilty and instead let's assume he's innocent. If he was innocent, and knew he was innocent, yet had people everywhere trying to make it sound like he's guilty and the feds are going after him meanwhile he's got the head of the FBI saying that they aren't investigating him.....I mean wouldn't you want that person to say so publicly so that the BS would stop? If that same person is willing to say similar things about others but unwilling to say so in your case wouldn't that piss you off?

    Of course it would, and you'd probably ask that person to stop being a dick and tell the truth to help stop the BS in the press that you are having to deal with on a daily basis.

    I'm pretty sure you'd find that desire for the fake story to go away to be reasonable and rational.
     
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    Let's play another hypothetical.

    If Barack Obama had associates in his election campaign under FBI investigation with a special prosecutor for ties with Russians to interfere with our elections and multiple intellegence agencies have explcitly stated that Russians at the VERY LEAST attempted to interfere through various means such as spamming social media with fake Romney rhetoric would Bobbythegreat scream for articles of impeachment to proceed?
     
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  10. cml750

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    Problem is they have all already convicted him in there mind with zero proof. He has to be guilty to fit the narrative that is pushed daily in the echo chambers that they immerse themselves in. The fact that Comey told him that he was not under investigation multiple times and just about every single detail of this whole thing has leaked except the fact he was not under investigation. If ou put that together with the way Comey handled the Hillary e-mail fiasco, yea I am surprised Trump didn't fire him sooner.
     
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    Wow, you know nothing.

    The FBI does not serve the President. They do not help implement a President's "agenda" whatever that is supposed to mean.
     
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    Why do you stop there though?

    A reasonable and rational person would stick to proper protocols and best practices, not do suspect as hell activity like call for private dinners with the director or tell everyone to leave the room so that he can speak alone with Comey. They also wouldn't tweet out that there are tapes of said private conversations, and they would stick to one story about why Comey was fired, rather than provide multiple, contradictory reasons on different occasions, with one of them being on national TV which can be interpreted as obstruction.

    So no, a reasonable and rational person would not do what Trump has done.
     
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    In the Oct. 31 remarks, Trump, who had previously criticized Comey for not bringing charges against Clinton, said he had to give the FBI credit.

    "That was so bad what happened originally, and it took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution," Trump said at a Michigan campaign rally.

    "It took a lot of guts."
     
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  14. dandorotik

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    Oh, I've been dealing with this for 17 years. Many supervisors have fired employees for a "stated reason," but it was really about something else. Trump's not fooling anyone except those who are blind to what he's doing. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Comey's statements about Trump ring true- because it sounds exactly like the type of diction and phrasing Trump uses. We can continue to play this little game of "well, we really don't know," "there's no difference between Comey and Trump," "that's not what Trump really meant..." - it's all nonsense. Trump means exactly what he says. He could shoot someone on the street and his followers would find an excuse for him.

    It's all good- history is on our side. It's beautiful b/c Trump has actually said it vs. someone saying it about him. His words will be his undoing.

    But let's give this round to Trump. He'll come out unscathed. Which is fine b/c it's only a matter of time. People his age don't change. My bet is that he will be out by 2019. If not, oh well. Life goes on.
     
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  15. Hakeemtheking

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    After Comey's testimony, Mueller has added the top criminal attorney on such matters as obstruction of justice, Michael Deebren.

    This is just beginning. I think they will uncover enough dirt on Trump to recommend articles of impeachment.
     
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    Who is "They"?.... Robert Mueller? Who is the guy that will be responsible for actually handing indictments (and any potential impeachment recommendation documents) to a grand jury and Congress in the case of Trumps involvement such as obstruction, purgery, or anything else that comes his way that pertains to "high crimes and misdemeanors". The proverbial "left" isn't convicting him... Robert Mueller will or will not be.

    Look we only have the facts as they are presented but don't act like it's a huge shock that with the massive amounts of circumstancial evidence out there folks would make theories to make sense in an anti-Trump fashion to a preconceived outcome. If you think a large portion of the Right wouldn't do the same for Clinton or Obama you are crazy.

    Tell me again who the millions of followers of Alex Jones support? You are talking about the worlds most insane conspiracy theory peddlers being a mouthpiece for the Modern Right and you want to go after folks on the left for theorizing something like "Trump MUST have financial ties to Russia because he refuses to release his taxes, praises Putin, called for Russian hacking publicly etc."??? Talk about Pot calling Kettle black.

    Let's follow the facts please, and continue to press back on liberals who jump to conclusions on circumstantial evidence being over theorized, but you can't with a straight face act talk about one side over reaching with conspiracy when you have a large part of your own base following InfoWars and previously pushing out theories such as birtherism etc.

    You are mad because folks on the left wanted Trump out of office before he got into office? Lol... it's politics man. Stop acting like your tribe wouldn't have done the exact same had Clinton been elected.

    Actually check this fact out- multiple GOP lawmakers actually said the if Clinton was elected they would push for more investigations to be opened when she got into office.
     
  17. Amiga

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    hope so. Trump is simply unfit for the office. If this is what undone him, great. And it would be his own doing so that would be even better.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah, he's saying that it "took a lot of guts" to bring the story back up after he caved to pressure from the Obama administration and scuttled the Hillary investigation so that it wouldn't have to be prosecuted. If he had done the right thing all along, he wouldn't have been in that position to essentially do another thing that was wrong. Doing the wrong thing often "takes a lot of guts".
     
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    Trump went silent.

     
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    lolol the tall tales that you can make up out of thin air (his total and complete detailed intentions) from those three words so you can "debate and discuss" I assume you do a ton of yoga to be that flexible to twist yourself into these intellectual demonstrations.
     

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