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Comey Senate Intelligence Panel testimony discussion thread

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  1. TheRealist137

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    Russia interfered with our election and the media is reporting upon an ongoing investigation that is of great interest to the American people. They are doing what they are supposed to do.
     
  2. cml750

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    We found out today they did not have any effect on the election and that Trump himself is not under investigation. The whole angle to this has been Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election. The special investigator may find something but there has been nothing to this point but innuendo, lies, and half truths coming out of the media. Continue to lap that up everyday if you like. It is keeping the liberal base in a frenzy.
     
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    Is cml employed by the FBI?

    Cml, if you are, you shouldn't post information on a ongoing FBI investigation. You should know that since you are employed by them I assume since you are making statements only the investigation team in the FBI could answer.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Kinda like how Obama interfered in the French election?
     
  5. TheRealist137

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    Not only has this not been verified in any way but you are repeating it like it matters. Russia could have changed zero votes, but they still tried.

    The investigation directly affected Trump however and his entire campaign. It would have impacted Trump so much so that he had to seek Comey out one-on-one just to tell him that he "hoped" Comey would let this investigation go. Sorry but just because Trump wasn't investigated at the time doesn't mean he had nothing to gain by a particular outcome.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    For all we know, they could have attempted to interfere in every single presidential election in the last 50 years....and if we found out they did, would it matter? I mean, you keep bringing up the fact that Russia tried to interfere in the election as if that matters or that people should be surprised by it.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Not really. The executive branch is named such because it was established to execute the laws, and the AG/DOJ is the main instrument for this....if the AG can't be hired or fired by the President, and the President can't have his designee enforce the laws....then the executive powers are kind of worthless.

    Also....lol false equivalency much?

    Sessions is a klan sympathizer in legal jeopardy in his first month in office due to his Russian connections...Lynch is...uh, black woman from NY?
     
  8. Chilly_Pete

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    It would matter to me. I wouldn't like it.
     
  9. Astrosfan183

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    Here's what was said
    BURR: Are you confident that no votes cast in the 2016 presidential election were altered?

    COMEY: I’m confident. By the time — when I left as director, I had seen no indication of that whatsoever.

    There is no point where he said that the Russians had no effect on the election. All he said was that they did not alter votes. I don't know where you gather that this means they had zero effect on the election. He stated with certainty that the Russians did put together a coordinated effort to interfere with our election. That they did hack the DNC emails among many other things. This clearly had an effect on the election. We can argue about how big it was, but it had some impact.

    But does it even matter the impact? The fact is that they tried. Why is that not alarming to you? Even further, an NSA report leaked the other day saying that they even did try to alter votes. We are very lucky that apparently its believed they were unsuccessful. But they tried.

    You keep talking about the liberal media. I'm not sitting here getting my opinions from the liberal media. I'm watching this hearing. I'm watching all the evidence and so many things that are piling up at this point that you seem blind to. Are you actually watching these hearings or are you just listening to the conservative talking points afterwards? Because the conservative talking points said that this hearing cleared Trump when that is CLEARLY not the case if you listen to what was actually said.
     
  10. Astrosfan183

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    Ugh. "It's probably happened before so lets just ignore that happened now"

    And again, as I said, I'm not convinced any Trump supporter can have an argument without at some point saying "BUT LOOK AT WHAT THIS DEMOCRAT DID" like that just makes everything every Republican does magically ok. This drives me crazy and makes it hard to have any sort of discourse. Obama isn't the president. Was he a perfect president? Certainly not. Should we have held him accountable for any wrongdoings? Certainly. Do we get to give the current president a complete pass because the last president did some things we don't like? No, no we don't.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    Well I imagine most people wouldn't like it....but so what? i mean, I assume that would have been attempting to interfere in our politics every bit as long as we've been attempting to interfere in their politics.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    It's not so much that as it is, why make a bigger deal about something happening now that has been happening for many many decades? Other than using it as an excuse for losing an election without having to take any blame for the actual reasons it happened, I don't see much value in harping over "Russian interference"
     
  13. TheRealist137

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    As Comey said, the operation by the Russians in 2016 was the most sophisticated it has ever been. The whole intelligence community has deemed it to be a hostile act by a foreign nation.
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    ok so how do you define "interfere" in an election. Russians didn't cast any votes, and foreign governments often provide input into other countries' elections (hence the Obama / France reference...)
     
  15. Astrosfan183

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    Can you show me a time where there was consensus from every intelligence agency that a foreign country participated in a large scale and wide reaching attempt to influence our election? Or are we just going to assume that happened based on gut feelings?
     
  16. Chilly_Pete

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    I would like to make sure it doesn't happen again.
     
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    Are you kidding me? Russians employ cyber attacks on MANY US companies - that is nothing new. And the spear fishing emails, only a moron like John Podesta still falls for those.

    You're reaching, bro. You're likely doing it to justify why your terrible candidate lost so you can feel better.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    We've never had a party attempt to blame the loss of a presidential election on it before. It's a fun new strategy.

    How do you propose that?
     
  20. Astrosfan183

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    Oh, so all the intelligence agencies that said it happened are all just Democrat party agents?
     

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