Don't worry mr paige... you were right. Even though there was a "Colts" team in Baltimore from 1946, the current Colts franchise was originally the Dallas Texans (I'm assuming this was yet another Texans franchise besides the Chiefs one). Here's the link... scroll down to the fourth paragraph. http://www.nflhistoryguide.com/ic/history.htm
History When the New York Yanks folded after the 1951 season, NFL owners decided that Dallas was a good location for a new franchise because Texas loved football. It didn't occur to them that fans of good college football teams might not appreciate a bad professional team. Giles Miller led a group of investors who bought the franchise and installed the new team, called the Texans, in the Cotton Bowl. The Texans lost their first seven games by an aggregate score of 240 to 101, fans naturally stayed away, and the owners couldn't meet the payroll. The league took the franchise back and operated it for the last five games of the season. A training camp was set up in Hershey, Pennsylvania, but the Texans played all those games on the road. They got their lone victory on Thanksgiving Day before 3,000 fans in Akron, Ohio, of all places. Chicago Bears owner-coach George Halas thought that he could rest most of his starters and still beat Dallas. After falling behind, 20-2, he decided to get the first string into the game, but Dallas won, 27-23. In 1953, the Texans were replaced by a new Baltimore Colts franchise. Of the 33-man roster, 20 players were gone from the NFL for good, but the other 13 joined the Colts. Two future Pro Football Hall of Fame defensive linemen, Gino Marchetti and Art Donovan, were in that group.
I'm gonna need a link for verification. I consider myself quite the football historian. If you can prove me wrong, much apologies, and a newfound respect. (but I still think you're just B.S.ing)
http://www.hickoksports.com/history/dalltexansnfl.shtml But hey, if the Dallas Texans of 1952 did not become the Baltimore Colts of 1953 then I guess the Tennessee Oilers of 1997 were not the Houston Oilers from 1996. Just because one team ceased to be and another came into being at that time AND the bulk of the players went to the new team, that doesn't mean it's the same team, right? It doesn't if the Dallas Texans didn't become the Baltimore Colts. So all you Titans fans just picked a new team without even realizing it.
http://www.nfl.com/history/chronology/1951-1960 1952 Ted Collins sold the New York Yanks' franchise back to the NFL, January 19. A new franchise was awarded to a group in Dallas after it purchased the assets of the Yanks, January 24. The new Texans went 1-11, with the owners turning the franchise back to the league in midseason. For the last five games of the season, the commissioner's office operated the Texans as a road team, using Hershey, Pennsylvania, as a home base. At the end of the season the franchise was canceled, the last time an NFL team failed. The Pittsburgh Steelers abandoned the Single-Wing for the T-formation, the last pro team to do so. The Detroit Lions won their first NFL championship in 17 years, defeating the Browns 17-7 in the title game, December 28. 1953 A Baltimore group headed by Carroll Rosenbloom was granted a franchise and was awarded the holdings of the defunct Dallas organization, January 23. The team, named the Colts, put together the largest trade in league history, acquiring 10 players from Cleveland in exchange for five. The names of the American and National conferences were changed to the Eastern and Western conferences, January 24. Jim Thorpe died, March 28. Mickey McBride, founder of the Cleveland Browns, sold the franchise to a syndicate headed by Dave R. Jones, June 10. The NFL policy of blacking out home games was upheld by Judge Allan K. Grim of the U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, November 12. The Lions again defeated the Browns in the NFL Championship Game, winning 17-16, December 27. How in the hell do you know so much? You're MY age. I live in Dallas, this has come up on the radio and stuff locally before.
Oh, and I think it came up during the debate over what the name of the Houston expansion team should be. There was resistence to the Texans name based on the fact that it had been used so many times before and essentially all the teams that had ever used that name, from the NFL and AFL to the WFL and Arena League and everything in between. There have been a lot of teams with the Texans name over the years.
The Titans did it differently than most. They have the legal right to the Oilers name and History. They fought for that. So they are still the same team. But take Baltimore for example. They gave up the rights to their history and team name. So in Essence they were considered a new team. You'll notice this dramatically on ESPN NFL football. The Ravens don't have any historical uniforms. But the Titans do.
OK. So, the Colts were sorta-kinda the Texans. (I'd say no, since the '52 Texans' franchise was canceled.) But, what's important right now is that the Colts are getting smacked around. 17-3!! T! E! X! A! N! S! (Also, props to Fox for the copious updates during the Titans-Bucs game.) (Oh, man! The Bucs just took Brad Johnson out! That's not good....)
Since both games are linked in regard to importance, I'll contaminate the thread with a little Titan talk. The Texans are one half away from giving the Titans the division. I Hope they keep up the resistance. It's been a great game. For Titan fans, where did this Neil Odonnell come from? He's been awesome. Brad Johnson has pretty much handed the game to us, but Neil has still been on the mark given that he hasn't seen action in forever. Gary anderson is kicking great. The old Vets are really coming thru today. A few more FG's should seal the deal. Jevon with a pick. I honestly did not think the Division was even a possibility. But if everything golds true. It looks like we'll get the home game with Broncos. Colts on the Road to Baltimore. So far so good.
Actually, the Ravens would be the unique one, but that's because of the special deal to give the Browns name back to Cleveland. If not for that special deal from the NFL to Cleveland that helped grease the move with time left on the Browns lease, we'd probably be watching the Baltimore Browns. It's fairly rare for a team to change its name anyway. Usually when a team moves, they keep the name they had in the previous city... except in the NHL of the 1990s. Of course, there is a difference between what people consider to be reality and what the official reality is. I mean, if you accept that the Ravens are a new team, then you can't complain about Art Modell moving the Browns. Technically and officially, he never moved any team as the Ravens are officially a new team (and you can't consider the 1999-present Browns to be an expansion team even though they had an expansion draft, etc). The closest modern analogy to the Texans-to-Colts would be the Expos in Major League Baseball. The League has taken over ownership. At some point in the not-too-distant future, the team will be sold to new ownership in a new city that will give the team a new name. The players under contract will be the only real connection to the Expos franchise. Everything else - the ownership, the name, the stadium, the city - will change. Now, some may consider it a new team with so much new going on with it, but most of us will just consider it the old Expos team in a new city with new ownership and a new name.
The Texans are one half away from giving the Titans the division. If I were a Titans fan, I don't know whether I'd rather win the division and host Denver or lose the division and play Baltimore on the road.
That is how it would go, isn't it? Since they went to the 4 division thing, I have a hard time keeping up with how the playoffs are seeded.
Game is getting closer. Colts marched right down our throats. As far as the playoffs: It's a tough call because Denver is the better team. But when you break it down, how much better is Plummer than Anthony Wright. They both have been inconsistent during their careers. On the running back side of things Lewis might be better than Portis. Both are at the top of their game. On defense, one thing Denver doesn't have is Ray Lewis. He's a major factor and maybe the best Defensive player of all time. But either team will be tuff so Home field would be sweet. On a side note, Eddie has 1,000 this year and us going for 10,000 yards today. It's hard to believe he is still ticking.
Well here we go again with the Texans. They quit attacking on offense and seem to be playing not to lose. I'd rather the Texans not have the lead going into the 4th if they're going to do this crap.
That rule only applies to you guys with fewer than 1,000 posts. As for the playoffs. Now that Cincy has tied it up, I guess they've still got a chance to win their division, too. Titans fans may not know who they're playing until **gasp** late tonight.
man I'm rooting for Andre Johnson to get 30 more yrds recieving to reach a 1000 for they year. If Carr would just look away from his best bud Billy Miller for a few plays and throw to Andre Johnson a few more times.
