samfisher.. I guess it depends on the conference.. I thought for instance the SEC did not allow you in their conference without football.. but that may be wrong
Agreed, but there needs to be a sense of accountability on the University's part. Right now, there's not really a push for improving on those numbers from our AD.
baqui.. and to further that, it is largely the universities fault for allowing athletes who are way below the SAT, gpa, etc ranges to get in the school to begin with... when the university lets unqualified students in.. well it's no surprise they fail
Actually, given the # of transfers and players that end up quitting the team, 100% is impossible mathematically. Generally players buried at the bottom of the depth chart are gone long before 2 a days in August. Before we start talking about 100%, we need to make sure that at least 1 in every 2 guys from the incoming freshman class leaves with a degree within 6 years.
Credit UT for having the balls to stand up when they joined forces with the Big 8. The new Big 12 voted 11-1 to reduce Prop 48 players to only 2 per school at any given time. Prop 48 players basically sit out their 1st year, and just focus on school. If there grades are good enough, they basically earn their way onto the team by the start of the 2nd year. Nebraska earned their reputation off of Prop 48 guys like Tommie Frazier and Lawrence Philips. They were the only team opposed to reducing the Prop 48 players.
No you're probably right - there's no question that football is a gold mine it's just that it's a very inefficient one in the long run.
Actually, it is quite possibly mathematically. Everyone that is on the team graduates. Extremely possible. Is it likely? No, and I already mentioned that. The fact that two-thirds of the players you see representing Texas football on television are future drop-outs should be extremely troubling to UT alumni.
Justin Blalock OL - 6-4/325 1 Plano, TX Larry Dibbles DE - 6-2/275 8 Lancaster, TX LEFT TEAM - Clint Haney RB - 6-0/190 23 Sping Branch, TX Albert Hardy RB - 5-11/225 4 Galena Park, TX Aaron Harris LB - 6-0/230 4 Mesquite, TX Tully Janszen DT - 6-3/250 29 Keller, TX DID NOT QUALIFY - Marquis Johnson WR - 6-3/190 3 Champaign, IL Marco Martin DT - 6-4/300 10 Mesquite, TX LEFT TEAM - Edorian McCullough DB - 5-11/190 3 Garland, TX Matthew Melton DB - 6-0/190 18 Tyler, TX Dustin Miksch WR - 6-0/165 92 Round Rock, TX Marcus Myers LB - 6-3/215 28 Pflugerville, TX LEFT TEAM - Bryan Pickryl DE - 6-6/225 2 Jenks, OK TRANSFERRED - Chase Pittman DT - 6-4/265 7 Shreveport, LA Brian Robison LB - 6-3/248 43 Splendora, TX Aaron Ross DB - 6-1/180 NR Tyler, TX Lyle Sendlein DT - 6-4/270 31 Scottsdale, AZ Garnet Smith LB - 6-3/221 7 Arlington, TX Kasey Studdard OL - 6-2/260 11 Littleton, CO David Thomas TE - 6-3/210 7 Wolfforth, TX LEFT TEAM - Robert Timmons WR - 6-2/205 20 Flower Mound, TX Neale Tweedie OL - 6-5/260 4 Allen, TX Brett Valdez OL - 6-3/300 25 Brownwood, TX LEFT TEAM - Michael Williams LB - 6-4/225 5 Lindale, TX Rodrique Wright DT - 6-5/330 2 Alief, TX Selvin Young RB - 6-0/195 5 Houston, TX Vincent Young QB - 6-5/195 1 Houston, TX That's a total of 7 out of 26 from the 2002 class who either quit or transferred. So we're already less than 75% for the 2002 class.
Baqui -- You're having trouble understanding what is possible mathematically. When those players signed on with Texas, it was mathematically possible for them all to graduate. To give you another example, it is mathematically possible for Brad Ausmus to hit 162 homeruns next year, provided he gets at least 162 at bats. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.
Meggo, I'm curious why you think it's so hard to graduate in 4 years. Yeah, 12 credits is full time, but that doesn't mean that that's ALL you should take. Except for next semester (which will be my last), the least amount of credits I've taken is 17. In fact, had I not transferred, I would have graduated in 3.5 years. With no summer school.
at least 17 every semester? damn! i graduated in 4 years but that was because i had 48 hours of AP credit (and well over 30 that went toward my degree) so i could take relatively light loads and still do it. but my guess is most people don't wanna take 17 hours a semester to get it in within 4 years and i would say needing 17 every semester is hard. at UT you have to get something signed if you wanna take 18 or more so i would guess 17 and up isn't all that common. although maybe other degrees don't require 128 hours like engineering did.
baqui.. interesting.. I had never heard of prop 48 before... samfisher.. yeah I know what you mean... a lot of schools lose money on football I believe.. I'd be interested to see the financial numbers for my school regarding football.. being that we are always bad.. but do have the sec money etc..
Actually, there have been only 2 semesters that I've taken only 12 hours. I took at least 14 hours every semester for most of my college career. Maybe it's just me, but it's really freaking hard to take 17 hours of classes for a lot of reasons. For example, it;s really hard when they're all scheduled at the same time. One of my biggest problems with scheduling classes at UT is that within a department, they seem to put the classes at the same time, making you choose one or another, and delaying your coursework until the next semester. Because of this, I spent many semesters taking at least 14 or 15 hours even though I was only taking 6 or maybe 8 hours of stuff I really needed within my department because that's all I could sign up for without overlapping. It's also really hard to take 17 hours when you're required to sign up for discussion hours or labs - so now even though you've signed up for 17 hours, you're really taking 20+. Now figure in the proper study time it takes to maintain good grades in each of those classes. Add into this the fact that some majors reach a bottleneck their sophomore year when they must take a certain class (for me, it was Genetics), and every course thereafter lists this class as a prereq. If you end up dropping the class, you can't take anymore bio classes the next semester, you have to put off pretty much everything just so you can retake that class (which is what I had to do- and it was the most annoying and time wasting experience I've had there). Now figure in people who are active in clubs, non-NCAA sports, and/or have to work at least part time in the fall and spring and probably work full time in the summer. It's really f*cking hard to take 15+ hours a semester AND work AND play a sport. That didn't work out so well for me either - hence I don't play lacrosse anymore... For those who are able to take 17 hours a semester, great. Congratulations on that. But for a lot of people, 17 hours isn't an option.
I graduated with my BS in mathematics in 1995 and had 133 credits and it took me only 4 years. Fall of '91 - 13 credits Spring of '92 - 16 credits Summer of '92 - 5 credits (Calculus II) Fall of '92 - 18 credits (toughest semester I ever had with Calculus III, FORTRAN, 1st semester of Calculus-Based Physics, Linear Algebra, and Macroeconomics ) Spring of '93 - 16 credits Summer of '93 - 7 credits Fall of '93 - 11 credits Spring of '94 - 14 credits Summer of '94 - 4 credits Fall of '94 - 17 credits Spring of '95 - 12 credits
I don't care who was the President it would have happened. Clarrett was getting hand outs in high school. He came to college and knew he could get the same thing. It was just the matter of him having a good game then finding the right "friend" to hook him up. And let's no be naive enough to think things like this don't happen at every school. Problem is Maurice got busted and instead of playing nice like everyone else does he started squealing. Could the Clarrett saga have been avoided? Propbably the only way was to have had knowledge of what he was doing in HS and knowing he was taking handouts there. But Gee was very popular. He was always out and about (especially a big fan of the athletic teams). Great with the students. Now we have some biotch Holbrook who has nearly destroyed the tailgaiting enviroment.
So, Chuckie, you are telling me that if Gordon Gee was the President of Ohio State, that a bad apple like Clarett would still get in? From everything I have read and heard about Gee, I have a hard time seeing him welcome a guy like Clarett, regardless of how good he was in high school. I mean this is a man who wants guys with character and morals, something that Clarett obviously does not have. Maybe he could fool him in the beginning, but I still have a hard time seeing that happen.
Wierd. They actually schedule the classes at the same time? Guess I've gotten lucky, most of the major music classes have their own time slot in which nothing else you need at teh time is scheduled. As for the "signed up for 17 hours, but taking 20+" argument, I know that well. A LOT of music classes, like performance ensembles, are only one credit but meet 2 to 3 times a week for usually an hour and a half at a time. Those are also the same ones that are one credit. Very frustrating. Add in practice time (3-5 hours a day) and you're very busy, but it is possible. I don't wnat to seem like I'm attacking you by the way. It just seemed like you were only taking 12 hours per semester and I was curious why.
It's not the President who decides who gets accepted. he has no real say in saying yes or no on accepting him. As for character issues the problem is most people look past them for a great athlete. I have no idea what Mo's high school coaches and teachers from Warren Harding HS said about him but more than likley they were more in awe of him than apt to say he's a bad character guy. So if OSU knew he was a bad character guy then it falls back to Tressell, but I would be surprised if JT and his staff knew Mo was on the take in HS. At teh same time OSU had problems even when Gee was the President. I beleive durign his tenure was when our B-Ball team under Randy Ayers had issues with alot of players and IMO you can only hold a President responsible for how he responds and the policies he sets up, but it's tough to hold him accountable for every student who gets in wheter they are an athlete or not.
