I'm still finding it funny that anyone cares about the drop to #3 in the AP poll. Can someone tell me in what way that affects a team's chances in the BCS? What was that? It doesn't have anything to do with anything? A big win over OU this week solidifies them at #2 in the USA Today poll (you know...the one that they actually use in the BCS standings). Sam Bradford will be lucky to make it out alive on Saturday. OU has lost another lineman to injury and it's not like they were that good to start with. Colt does have to get his head out of his a** in the first half and there does need to be some semblance of a running game. Fozzy Whitaker is getting the start as McGee and Newton are still injured. I think Fozzy will take this moment to shine and have a great game. Ou is absolutely scared of Jordan Shipley. They won't kick to him. They don't have a safety that can cover, either. They'll have to double team him, leaving Kirkendoll and Buckner open all day. UT - 41 OU - 21
If the AP poll doesn't mean anything, why does virtually everyone recognize that USC has won two national championships under Pete Carroll?
Florida and Alabama would play each other in the SEC championship (if things go to plan), so who cares? one of them will drop out of the top 2.
Because it's USC. Also, speak for yourself on that one. My main problem with people using the AP poll as the standard this week (this includes ESPN) generally all switch to using the BCS rankings as the "standard" once they officially come out. Which is fine, but if you're going to use the BCS rankings as the "standard" for the second half of the season, why spend the first half using a ranking system that has nothing to do with it?
Good point. That's why the AP is dead to me. I don't get why people get so worked up over where their team stands in the AP. I just hope my team climbs the Coach's poll each week until the BCS rankings comes out.
I can easily find thousands that don't believe Obama was born in the US. People that don't believe USC won two titles are point blank wrong. How can you dispute the fact that they won two titles when they won two titles? Did they win the coaches poll championship that year? No. They won the AP national championship. During the 2003 season, the AP Poll was a part of the BCS formula! Furthermore, there is no official NCAA Division 1 championship. The only championships that matter are the ones that are generally recognized in the eyes of the media, colleges, and fans. It's clear that the majority of media, colleges, and fans still recognize the AP Poll as a legitimate national championship. The only argument you can make is that the Coaches Poll has become a more prestigious title over the past few years, but not recognizing USC's national championship is not rational. There have been split championships throughout the history of Division 1A college football. Why would you all of the sudden not recognize a split national title? In 2003, LSU was the coaches poll national champion and USC was the AP Poll national champion.
The crystal football is the trophy for coming in 1st place in the USA Today Coaches Poll. The NCAA does not recognize an official national championship. If the coaches poll decided to pull out of the BCS tomorrow, they would still give out their championship trophy and would be free to give it to anyone they voted #1. For example, in 1997, Nebraska was voted #1 in the coaches poll and got the crystal ball. In 1997, Michigan was voted #1 in the AP poll and got the trophy that the AP Poll gives out.
Please point out the place where I said they didn't win that. All I'm saying is that the AP poll is meaningless now. The national champion is considered the one that won the BCS championship, which the AP is no longer a part of. All I said was that probably the entire state of Louisiana disagrees with the notion that USC won 2 national titles.
The crystal trophy is for coming in first in the BCS rankings, which is automatically given to the winner of the BCS Championship game. The USA Today poll is one of 8 used to determine the top 2.
No. They were right. The Crystal trophy is for winning the coaches poll which is automatically given to the winner of the BCS.
Do you realize the difference between "a majority" and "virtually everyone"? I don't think you need a history lesson on some really stupid things that have had the support of "the majority" in the past. Besides, if there's no official title, how can anyone be "point blank wrong"? Who decided that majority opinion is right, or in this case, goes? The Pac 10, which USC is a member of, signed a contract to participate in what is legally defined as the national championship game. Every highlight show or analysis piece before the season focuses on said game and the trophy the winner of said game receives. USC did not qualify for that game under qualifications in which the Pac 10 agreed; thus, that championship is not as legitimate, imo. Yes, the AP poll was part of the BCS ranking. Part. One of the reasons for the BCS was to include other factors besides sometimes arbitrary human biases. In 2007, one of the computer polls that was part of the BCS (the same logic you used with a ! for the AP) had Missouri as the #1 team in the nation after all the games were played, bowls included. Can I legitimately claim Mizzou as the national champion?
I understand what you are saying, but there is no arguing that the BCS Champion is the one most people recognize. Yes, there are two different ways to win a National Championship, but the BCS is the one that carries more weight now. It is like Player of the Year awards. I could say that Colt was voted as the player of the year last year (Walter Camp Award) which is technically correct, but he didn't win the Heisman (the award that most everyone recognizes as the legit one) so I don't.
The opinion of the public is the only thing that lends credence to any argument that any specific national championship is more legitimate than another. In the absence of an official, NCAA sanctioned national championship, the public is the one that decides which championships carry the most legitimacy. Don't these same exact programs recognize USC's national championship? Was it not the recognition of USC's two national championships by these programs that prompted a fan to create the onepeat.com website? The only thing that gives legitimacy to a non sanctioned championship is the perception of the media, schools, and fans. My original point is that the AP Poll still carries significant weight because most people still think of it as one of the two important national championships. If Missouri had won the AP national championship that year, would they have hung a banner in their stadium claiming a national championship? They clearly would have. Did Missouri hang a banner claiming a national championship because they were rated #1 in a computer poll? No. Would Missouri have hung a banner if that computer poll was historically considered a legitimate national championship by a majority of fans? Absolutely.
Seriously I am very upset. Again, why is USC ranked so freaking high? Their conference is mediocre, they start a freshman QB, and they lost to a somewhat bad team. You have teams like LSU, VTech, and Miami who all lost to much better teams and I haven't even gotten into undefeated Iowa, Cinncy, etc... WHY?!
Seems like America feels the same way as some of us do, OU will have good shot at beat Texas http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/index
What, you mean an Oklahoma (with Bradford) is superior to South Florida, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and South Florida? What stunning analysis...
