[College Football] Big Ten, Texas have initial talks

Talk about stupid.

The idea that Tech is trying to hold UT's "new" Big 12 idea hostage by threatening to go somewhere else is laughable.

Everybody in the Big 12 knows Texas Tech is completely expendable to that league.

If Tech left, the Big 12 would add TCU, UH or Arkansas so fast it would give everybody in Lubbock a case of Raider Rash.

 

We all knew it was coming:

Utah gives notice

 

This is the attitude I disagree with. Sure, they'll be alright. The goal is not to be alright. The goal is to put yourself in the best possible situation. Smart leaders look 5, 10, 30 years down the road. It's the same as how people argued "oh, the Astros can still compete!" 3 years ago. A visionary leader looks and sees what the landscape is going to be, not what it is today, and makes moves based on that.

The Pac10 was forward looking enough to come up with the 16-team super-conference model, and UT had a brilliant opportunity to position themselves for the future in so many different ways. That fact that they are alright as-is is besides the point. At the end of the day, they are in an extremely unstable conference that most of the members are in because they had no choice.

 

I said it was about big boy football and basketball anyway and the other poster talked about grab assn. I think just like in 94, the pac 10 is in trouble because without a dominant usc, they're irrelevant. Did it all of a sudden happen again because usc is in trouble again? I think not. As a fan of college football in general, its hard to watch those west coast games consistently. I mean, saturday morning before everyone gets moving is cool till 3pm. 7pm saturday evenings is a good way to get your show cancelled. If the b12 wants to play in the west coast market, they can do what they do in college hoops and do the acc/big east challenge. I'm willing to bet they can get a tv deal in which the b12 plays 3 pac 10 schools every year in 3 yr cycles. That would keep the sos strong and also give those schools games in those markets. Set that up and o guarantee they would get a seperate tv deal.

 

I think you guys assuming that the Pac 10 is going in the toilet with USC on probation are selling UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, and Cal extremely short. They are either competitive programs or have proven themselves capable of being competitive and ALL stand to get a boost from USC getting kicked in the nuts.

 

Nice programs that are no where near the level of UT or OU

 

and you're making a lot of assumptions that this super team conference is the future.

 

Yes, but not many ARE near the level of UT/OU.

I'm just saying, the S.S. USC sinking will displace some water and likely raise up the Ducks, Cards, Bruins, etc. The league will stay nationally competitive.

Whether those programs can ever lift themselves up high enough to win a national title? Eh... but stranger things have happened.

 

He's not the only one making assumptions.

Beebe: "We don't have a future television deal that's been reached at this time." Just confidence based on research/conversations.

Beebe: "Our analysts have given us strong indication ... that we're in very good position to get high amount of revenue" from existing TV partners.

I am with Major on this one. The Big 12 will not last more than 5 years in its current form.

 

In the end, I think the Pac 10 needs UT and OU a lot more than UT and OU need the Pac 10.

 

of course it won't, because it will add teams by then.

if somehow they're able to poach away an SEC team, this hand wringing is going to look sillier.

 

None of those teams move the meter. Univerisity of South Central has a mystique like tyson in 87. They garner attention and non alumni people care when they're good. Just like Miami in their hey day. Cal,oregon,and stanford are quality programs, but u dont see snoop dogg and matthew mc on the sidelines during games.

 

lmao! They're just happy to be invited to the party. They're like the college freak everyone has ran through,lol.

 

money solves all your problems...or at least that's what we're lead to believe...

I'm happy about the Big 12 staying together, however, I still don't get how the economics work with two less teams...I have to believe the loss of NU and CU lowers the economics even though you have less teams to share...

 

So, after ruminating on this for the better part of a day, here's what I get out of it: The Pac-16 threatened too much of the status quo.

For the move were the Pac-10 and Texas and OU and hangers on, some academics, and a lot of fans.

Against were the TV networks that would have had to compete with a Pac-16 Network, the current BCS and Bowl Game infrastructure that would have had to change with the rise of super conferences, the SEC who would have been bottled up on their west side by something potentially greater than they could be, the ACC and Big East who would have suffered had the SEC felt compelled to expand, Notre Dame who would have lost the security blanket of the Big East for their non-football teams, the good old boys who like things the way they always have been, the left out schools like Baylor and Kansas, probably Army and Navy who would be precluded from playing Notre Dame given the super conferences, the Big Ten whose CIC would be threatened by a Stanford/Cal/UT/A&M consortium, and of course the mid-level conferences like the MWC who would stand absolutely zero chance of making the championship game if there were four super conference champions.

(And Texas A&M was forced to see their own demons and came out of this looking as bad as anyone... either they didn't have an SEC invite, in which case they look more absurd than usual or they did have one which makes them look weaker than usual.)

Anyway, that's a lot of money and power on the status quo side. No wonder they ponied up hush funds for UT, OU, and the rest. It's peanuts compared to what the current powers can make with the status quo.

 

Is anyone at all excited about this development? Besides that idiot Beebe?

I was so bummed at the thought of potentially losing the A&M rivalry that I feel like I should be happy right now, but I'm just not.

I just think this is a stupid, stupid move. Great we are the big dog in a conference where everyone hates us. A&M and OU probably feel like we kept them from greener pastures, and every other member is paying us so they can stay in the conference. Yeah, that's a way to make friends.

Oh, and hearing Beebe say in his presser that there is NO NEW TV DEAL was just awesome. So UT takes a step backwards based on projected numbers by consultants?! Just unbelievable.

Oh, and for the record, I think the Longhorn network will be a massive fail. I am one of the biggest Longhorn fans out there, and I'm not even sure I would pay money to see UT softball games and school programming.

Oh, and choosing to stay in the Little 10 will definitely pay dividends with the pollsters at the end of the year, especially when paired with out OOC scheduling of the Texas Dance Academy and Southern Western Idaho Technical University. Ugh.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

Breakdown of the $20 Million that should have been split 10 ways equally:

KU - nothing
KSU - nothing
MU - nothing
Baylor - nothing
ISU - nothing
TTech - $2m
OSU - $2m
UT - $5.33m
A&M - $5.33m
OU - $5.33m

That is ludicrous. The forgotten 5 need to man up and grow a pair between them. As if giving UT/A&M/OU the lion's share of the money makes them any less likely to leave if given a better opportunity. This is why Nebraska and Colorado wanted to leave so badly and why the Big 12 is not long for this world, far too much power concentrated in one place.

 

The people against it were the freaking college football Illuminati. The vampires kept it from happening. That has to scare someone.