[College Football] Big Ten, Texas have initial talks

Major, I'm not saying the longhorns are scared, but the sec vs pac 10 in sports is not even close. I think its easier to play against pac 10 schools vs the sec.

The tv revenue is whats driving this bus. If ut was a private school playoing avg football, then this would be a non issue,but they're opposite and thats why the pac 10 or any other conference wants them. All this stuff about academics is a farce and everyone knows it.

 

What exactly are you saying here? My point is that the SEC brings the most money for UT. If it's all about money, why isn't UT going there?

Of course TV revenue is driving the bus - that's the whole point of moving conferences is to generate money. But the schools and the conferences are also built around academics. The B10 wasn't going to invite Texas Tech under any circumstance. The Pac10 wouldn't be inviting OU without Texas. The SEC is purely about $$ because they have no academic standards.

We know that academics matter because it was a huge sticking point and controversy the last time this happened when Texas joined the B12.

No one is arguing that Rice is more important than Texas because of academics. What people are saying is that the academic affiliations of the conferences do have an impact - both in who's invited and whether to accept those invites.

 

i believe the pac 10 would deliver just as much (or maybe a little less) tv revenue to atm.

even if there is a difference in tv revenue, i think the pac 10 makes up and surpasses an sec offer w/ academic associations it offers...

 

looks like baylor will be screwed. if it's kansas, there goes the remaining five.

 

I actually think this is really good for Baylor. They likely end up in the MWC, and that will be really good for them. Memphis and others have proven you can be great in basketball regardless of conference - and Baylor's cross-sport success will make them a power in the MWC.

In football, Baylor was always going to have issues competing in the B12. Even if they had a good season, it would be hard to build on that. Even if they were #20 in the country, there's a good chance they'd be 4th in the B12 South behind TX, OU, and Tech. With the MWC, if they get to #20 in the country, they have a legit chance to become a player, win some conference titles, maybe make a BCS game, etc. I think it will suck moving down some, but it will actually help their athletic program in the long run.

 

why isnt the big 12 sending out invites?

tcu, uh, byu, utah, memphis, etc...

 

Because those schools would have no idea what schools are in the conference they're being asked to join.

 

tru but theyd be in a bcs conference (though not gauranteed) who knows. if 5 big 12 remain then they can regroup and maintain bcs status...

 

Again, these are 20-40 year time horizon decisions. No one cares if the B12 is a BCS conference in 2012 or 2013.

Besides which, if it's true that Kansas is leaving, then they'd be down to 4 schools left and likely would vote to disband the conference so no one owes the penalties to leave.

 

Major, u know texas has this uppitty-ness about them doesnt really fit in the sec. The sec reminds me of nascar and bootlegging and ut reminds me of open wheel racing and martini's,lol. I remember the issues with prop 48 and stuff in the big 8. I do think all universities want to be known academically,but u dont see vandy crying and trying to get out the sec. The sec is just real about their situations vs being fake about it.

 

Link?

Billy Liucci squashed this report this afternoon. Rivals is parroting the post from Chip Brown. Liucci has had two sources confirm that this is not the case. The chances are approximately 50/50 with a slight edge to the SEC.

 

if i were baylor and the other 3. id keep the conference, take the penalty money and invite some new schools.

 

Good luck finding any Baylor fans that believe this. Maybe they win some more games, but you yourself said that "the whole point of moving conferences is to generate money. But the schools and the conferences are also built around academics."

Baylor is not going to be making more money in the MWC, and the academics in the MWC are not going to be better than the Pac-16. So, this really does suck for Baylor. A few more wins per year against lower quality teams probably won't help ease the pain very much.

Also, as I have said before, the Longhorns haven't worked very hard to get Baylor included in the Pac-16. Here we have A&M possibly not going to the Pac-16 and UT still can't or doesn't want to get Baylor included. UT doesn't care about Baylor. Good luck Baylor, you are on your own.

 

Wasn't there a report about TCU being against Baylor's inclusion in the MWC?

So hard to keep track of these rumors!

 

Don't know about that, but ESPN reports that MWC is targeting Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri. No mention of Baylor.

 

I don't know if its true or not but I believe someone posting earlier about conference members needing majority to vote on whether to dissolve a conference or not. If its true, all members leaving will vote on dissolving the conference to avoid any penalty money and leaves all remaining members without a conference.

 

We don't know how hard UT worked for Baylor. If the Pac-10 firmly said "NO WAY" at the start of talks, that doesn't give UT much to work with. If you expect UT to take the stand they won't switch conferences without Baylor, that is completely unreasonable.

 

Major, u know texas has this uppitty-ness about them doesnt really fit in the sec. The sec reminds me of nascar and bootlegging and ut reminds me of open wheel racing and martini's,lol. I remember the issues with prop 48 and stuff in the big 8. I do think all universities want to be known academically,but u dont see vandy crying and trying to get out the sec. The sec is just real about their situations vs being fake about it.

 

I find it interesting that UT is supposed to carry Baylor's water to the Pac-16 but nobody's suggesting A&M take Baylor to the SEC.

 

c'mon, lee, it's really not that hard to grasp.... practically every conference NOT named the SEC has some sort of academic standards. athletic conferences CAN be used to the schools advantage beyond the football field... just look at the Big10 and the CIC. one could argue that the only reason Texas isn't joining them is that the Big10 wanted nothing to do with Tech due to - wait for it...... academic standards!

you seem to be stuck in this train of thought that the only possible reason any team would switch conferences would be purely for athletic reasons, and time and time again that's been refuted. try to see the big picture.