[College Football] Big Ten, Texas have initial talks

so if it was such a big rivalry, why did they stop playing. OK played tex for years in out of conference games.

and they didn't play each other every year till the SWC was formed.

 

i'm not getting it from the TV

 

Geez, guy...it was a joke. Sorry I didn't give the SwoLy/smiley to make it obvious.

If they go their separate ways, I believe they will continue playing each other. It's a rivalry game. I think we are all in agreement that Texas-aTm is a rivalry. Some, however, are arguing that Texas-Ark is/was not a rivalry. Honestly, I don't really care about Arkansas with regards to this discussion (conference realignment).

I'll stand by my take that I think aTm will be making a mistake of legendary proportions if they choose to bail and head to the SEC. It's a mistake to leave all your in-state games, your "meaningful" rivalries and your "tradition." In the short- and long-term, they will be destroyed in football in the SEC. I'm not saying they'd fare too much better in the Pac-whatever, but they'd sure have a fighting chance. They'd definitely beat Texas every-now-and-then which would give them a shot at the division on top of state-wide bragging rights.

 

aTm is struggling anyway so it really doesn't matter at this point, however I believe they are a natural fit for the SEC.

 

The crux of the issue is which TV package is going to pay UT and OU a rate equivalent to their peers. You would think it would be FSN execs behind the scenes that are actually controlling ebb and flow of this.

It seems like a Pac 16 option divides almost the full value over less teams than the Pac12/Big12 (-2) option in the Orangebloods article.

Wiki has a good but long review of the entire TV landscape:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_on_television

 

DeLoss Dodds disagrees with you. This was alluded to yet again in today's Fort Worth Star Telegram by Randy Galloway.

 

They may not in the short-term, but that's a big in-state recruiting game. This could be posturing/pressure on the part of Texas. I'm not saying it IS, just that it might be.

 

seems like atm is more concerned about getting out of uts shadow and football...

if thats the case then what can you do. you can lead an aggie to water but you cant make him drink...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5282178

As part of his strategy to keep the Big 12 Conference intact, commissioner Dan Beebe is trying to convince Texas -- the key -- and other schools that a 10-team model would still provide strong television revenue, a source familiar with Beebe's plan said Sunday.

Beebe has been told that the loss earlier this week of Nebraska to the Big Ten and Colorado to the Pac-10 could diminish the value of the Big 12 by as little as 8 to 10 percent.

Beebe is stressing the value of sharing revenue with fewer schools and collecting and distributing the departure penalties of Nebraska and Colorado, the source said.

Secondary elements of the pitch include keeping natural rivalries intact and considering the interests of both fans and student-athletes.

Under the plan, Texas could still conceivably pursue its own TV deal, something it would not be able to do in the Pac-10.

Schools in favor of keeping the Big 12 together are suggesting the Pac-10's plan is based largely on projections and that it's unclear exactly when a Pac-10 network would launch and how successful it could be.

Officials from five Big 12 schools -- Kansas, Missouri, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor -- held a conference call on Saturday, The Kansas City Star reported. The schools agreed they would like to continue as members of the Big 12.

The boards of regents from Texas and Texas Tech each plan to weigh conference-affiliation plans Tuesday, while Oklahoma's board will discuss its future on Wednesday.

 

If Beebe has something concrete from Fox Sports to present to these schools...and it's anywhere close to the neighborhood he says he's talking about...and UT can still have their own network....and they're going to split about $20 million in penalty money from NU and CU...then I have a difficult time believing the Big XII won't survive...albeit with a different name, unless they invite in 2 more.

By the way...I've got friends who know people in the athletic dept in Colorado who are seriously concerned about where that athletic department is going to come up with $10 million if forced to pay a penalty. That place is a trainwreck.

 

By the way....the NCAA has a 2 year grace period for conferences that drop below six members to find more members in order to qualify as a conference.

But the BCS lets you retain BCS status as long as 5 members stay together who have been together for at least 4 years.

While the MWC tries to get BCS status....the Big XII would retain it with BU, KU, KSU, ISU and Missouri. They need to be picking the MWC apart...not the other way around.

 

To clarify - the real Dan Beebe made the $17MM case. The fake Dan Beebe explained this with the catastrophic inflation.

 

I'm not so sure. $17MM + $3-$5MM from a UT Network (that's the projection) is still just about what the current B10 makes. So the B12 would be arguing that if we stay, our high end target goal with our next TV contract is the current B10 levels. The problem is by then, the next B10 deal (or future Pac16 deal) would be even bigger. So UT still loses out.

I would think a 16 team conference controlling both Texas and California, along with the entire west coast and mountain region and fastest-growing population base going forward would be able to substantially outperform anything that a Texas + Oklahoma + Kansas + Missouri 10-team conference could generate. And a Pac16 TV Network will generate more than enough to offset Texas's $3-$5MM Longhorn Network. I don't see how to legitimately argue that a smaller B12 will be able to match anything that a Pac16 could do.

 

Splitting among less teams...two of which are perennial national contenders as of now.

You can still enter into a deal with the Pac 16 for TV. And then still have your own network. AND STILL BE THE BIG DOG ON THE STREET.

Control...money...better chance at BCS games....all of it.

And a $2 million "bonus" because CU and NU decided to bolt

If I'm Texas, the Pac 10 would have to show me something pretty definitive to suggest that the money would be sooo much greater that it would be worth everything else.

 

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from OB.com:

Texas A&M officials turned down an invitation to join the Pac-10 in a meeting with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott and Pac-10 chief operating officer Kevin Weiberg in a meeting in College Station Sunday morning that lasted less than an hour, according to multiple sources, including a Big 12 athletic director.

Scott and Weiberg then hopped on a chartered plane headed to Lubbock, where they were scheduled to meet with Tech officials.



As a BU fan...this is great news to me. Chaos. I feel like kissing an Aggie....not any of those cheerleaders, though.

 

is Dan Bebee always one step behind his peers?

one of the reasons big 12 is crumbling...

 

Nobody else involved will agree to that happening. Why would any of the other schools agree to be consistently at a competitive disadvantage? If that happened, the attorneys negotiating for all the other schools should be disbarred.

Billy Liucci, who is the most often accurate source pertaining to Texas A&M athletics, states that the decision has not been made and that right now it is 50/50 where A&M goes.

 

Why would this make you happy? Do you have a love for the Utah Utes?

 

if true, i wish atm the best. hopefully everything will work out...

as far as keeping up rivalries...
i guess ut will have to see if their schedule will permit. 7 division school + ??? cross division games... not much room for out of conference games...

too bad i really enjoyed the lone star state rivalry.

 

because where the hell does BU end up if the Big XII dies?

the Big XII is my last hope for BU playing in a major conference. and i don't want to see BU stop playing A&M and/or UT.