[College Football] Big Ten, Texas have initial talks

Your post made me remember something I said previously. I do think UT would fear losing Houston based prospects who want to stay home to UH if UH was in a big conference. That is the big con but there is also no big pro to including UH either. They don't bring the Houston tv market.

I also dont think UT cares about baylor. I guess state politics are focused on preventing baylor from losing something they already have and depend on.

 

Hey Baylor, F U.

Signed,
TCU

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TCU slapping Baylor's sense of entitlement of belonging in a BCS conference :grin:

Karma.

 

UH does not bring money, I agree.

Certainly not the money that Utah would, etc.

However, look at it from a purely "I want what's best for the State of Texas" standpoint.

If that is what you're looking at, it's UH > BU all day every day.

However, if you're looking at it from a "I want what's best for my football team standpoint."

That's a whole different story. UH is competitive now, and on the upswing for sure. The facilities project would take off no doubt with a big conference invite. So, I think UH could hold its own athletically in a big conference. Fan support would lag behind the product on the field and the facilities, but it would get there sooner than later. The culture is changing around UH, in a hurry.

No offense to Max, but if you didn't want to bring in a possible threat to your program, then Baylor is the safe choice. I know it really pissed off the SWC elites when UH came into their conference, rinky dink fan base, rinky dink resources, and won. So, I can't fault you for wanting to protect your interests there.

 

If this is true, this is REALLY looking bad for Baylor. Where do we go to next...Conference USA?

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With eye on BCS, Mountain West Conference brings in Cinderella Broncos
By MAC ENGEL

Mountain West Conference sources confirmed that the league is sending out feelers to Big 12 members that may be left out in any continued conference shake-up, most notably Kansas and Missouri.

Kansas State would be another option. Baylor, however, would not be.

On the same day the MWC officially added Boise State, sources said TCU will lobby the MWC against Baylor's inclusion should the Big 12 school be left out of the impending conference realignment.

The league is leaving the door open to pluck other schools to boost their résumé to earn an automatic BCS bid. There are two more years remaining on a four-year evaluation period to get the automatic BCS bid.

With the addition of Boise State, the MWC hopes it can get a temporary BCS automatic qualifier status in 2012 and 2013.

Adding a couple more Big 12 schools would only help. And it looks as if more will be available. Colorado will join the Pac-10 and Nebraska the Big Ten, leaving the remaining schools of the Big 12 in limbo.

All signs point to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State departing the Big 12. That would leave a few available schools, most notably Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to potentially join the MWC.

Despite success in nearly every sport but football, Baylor may not be so welcome in another MWC expansion. Some TCU officials and powerful alums remain irked over the way Baylor was included in the Big 12 after the breakup of the Southwest Conference. The Frogs were left out.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/06/11/2259257/with-eye-on-bcs-mountain-west.html#ixzz0qeXfBURW

 

pros (atm going to the sec):

this would be a good time for atm to get out from under the shadow of ut

atm may win more recruiting battles against ut and ou bc of conference affiliation

pump more $$$ into the texas economy and get more national exposure (fans from the se and west coast visiting texas)

cons (atm going to the sec):

going in, atm will get pounded by the sec teams. this may take a few years to reverse seeing the state of the current program.

there may be an argument that atm will be able to win more recruiting battles but i dont buy that. atm has top 20 recruiting classes almost every year. also the players from texas that leave for the sec go to the alabamas, floridas, lsu, tennessee, etc... they want to go out of state so i dont think sec affiliation would change many opinions. also, ppl like winners. seeing as how atm is going to get pounded for the first few yrs in the sec, this will not help reverse the downward spiral of the football program.

sec doesnt offer much in the way of academics. the top schools are vanderbilt and florida. the pac 10 has ucla, cal, stanford, washington. football is cyclical but a strong academic program doesnt flop out after a few yrs.



verdict: if atm really wants to get out from under ut's shadow then they should go w/ sec. the texas ecomony would benefit from this decision because youd have more visitors and national exposure. atm also seems like to fir better culturally with sec.

however if academics are more important, go w/ pac 10. an affiliation w/ cal, stanford, ucla, and washington would help bolster atms academic reputation.

football is cyclical. seeing how the pac 10 is currently weaker than the sec in football, it would help hasten atm's re-emergence.

 

I'm amazed at how much hatred there is between TCU and BU. Although the rivalry was before my time, apparently they've played each other since dinosaurs roamed the Earth, and TCU has not forgotten BU's "our ***** don't stink" act after getting invited to the Big 12 and blowing off TCU and not playing them anymore. TCU also refuses to play in a conference with SMU, too. Hilarious to me that the 3 religious schools of this state hate each other so much.

 

I wouldn't use the word afraid, but it's going to bring unwanted competition into the state.

I think the SEC makes a whole lot of sense...rivalries, culture, getting out of UT's shadow, etc.

 

If UT and A&M go to different conferences, it will hurt both schools recruiting. I expect it will devastate A&M's recruiting while UT may be hurt a little. SEC schools are more like A&M and more likely to attract the same athletes. I do understand A&M wanting to go to schools more like them.

 

I personally believe aTm threatening to go to the SEC is all posturing. Sure, you can take that at Texas "arrogance" or whatever you want. Yes, they "fit better" with those schools in some respects. However, aTm really wants to be considered an academic institution (ironic, I realize). They have several great schools, for sure. Academic standards in the SEC are well below the Big XII and the Pac 10 and light years below the Big 10.

From a football standpoint, aTm has little-to-nothing to gain from the SEC. They have a zero percent chance of "stealing" recruits from the state of Florida (UF, FSU, UM), zero percent chance of "stealing" recruits from the state of Alabama (UA, AU), zero percent chance of "stealing" recruits from the state of Louisiana (LSU), zero percent chance of "stealing" recruits from the state of Georgia (UGA, GT) and about a five percent chance of "stealing" recruits from Arkansas. Tennessee? Good luck. Will playing regular season games in Bryan Station open a few recruiting doors to these schools in Texas? Sure...a little. Texas talent already migrates to the SEC a bit (and to the Pac 10).
From a "playing the game of football" perspective, aTm really loses quite a bit. In the Big XII, they have to play (and usually lose to): Texas, OU, TT, N and now BU. In the SEC they will lose on an almost constant basis to: Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss and Arkansas.

Posturing. That's it. See you in California...

 

A&M is a member of the Association of American Universities. The members are invited to join based on academic criteria. There are 61 member universities in the US. A&M was selected for membership in 2001.

Apparently A&M is considered an academic institution. Sheesh.

 

So:
UT, TT, OSU, OU and Utah to the Pac 16 Super Conference

A&M, along with FSU, Miami and West Virginia to the SEC 16 Super Conference

Nebraska, Notre Dame, Missou, Rutgers and Maryland to the Big 16 Super Conference

ACC/Big East align to be the 4th Super conference (16)

Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse + Central Florida or East Carolina

Mountain West/ Big 12 leftovers align to super conference with select conference USA?

Baylor, Kansas, Iowa State, K State, Air Force, TCU
BYU, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Wyoming, U Of H , Rice, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP

(ugh!)










Moving this over for daydreaming.

ACC
Boston College
Clemson
Duke
Florida St
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Big 12
Baylor
Colorado
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Missouri
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Big East
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia

Big Ten
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan St
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio St
Penn St
Purdue
Wisconsin

Pacific-10
Arizona
Arizona St
California
Oregon
Oregon St
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington St

SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi St
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Mountain West
Air Force
TCU
BYU
New Mexico
San Diego State
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming

Conference USA
East Carolina
U of H
Marshall
Memphis
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulane
Tulsa
South Florida
Central Florida
UTEP

Independents
Army
Navy
Notre Dame

 

Its amazing how some of you act like Texas and Oklahoma were always on top. Despite recent failures of A&M, I believe we have beaten Texas exactly as many times in my lifetime as we've lost (30 years). It was a much different story in the 90s than it is now and in the cyclical nature of college athletics, A&M will be back strong and when that happens in the SEC, we will be in a much better position than in the Pac whatever. This is not about the short term, its about what is better for us in the long term. I agree we are going to take some lumps early on, but we will be back at some point.

Agree with you on the academic aspect of the pac16 and that is the ONLY plus side to going to the Pac 16 if you ask me. If we were truly worried about academics, Texas and A&M should have joined up in going to the Big Ten (of course we all know about the "tech problem")

 

I never said anything about Texas and/or OU being on top of anything. However, they're both certainly on top of aTm now and have historically almost always have been. The 90s? Are you serious? Paying players might have a little something to do with that "great era" of aTm football.
You say this isn't about the "short term," yet you're only concerned with aTm's football record against Texas "in your lifetime." How old are you, exactly?
I'm not trying to attack you, sir. Seriously. I'm just pointing out that I never suggested what you alluded to in your post. I then question why "short term" can only be applied in one direction in your argument.

 

I was responding to you saying a&m is going to get killed in recruiting and on the field ... In the near term we may have issues bit when we do win again we will be in a better position in the sec than in the PAC. And if you didn't read my post I said it was over a period of 30 years.

short term can be applied in my argument saying that we can and have been a good football program in recent years which means we should not base our decision on how we are going to perform in the short term as your argument implies

 

Dude stfu.

Our mens team will be in the top ten and we have a good shot at playing in Reliant again next year.

 

That's nice, but football is the lynchpin of this realignment. We all know it.

 

Hmm... so what will Texas be ranked this coming season? 3rd? 4th?

 

Probably 8 or 9.

 

Where is Ohio State going to be ranked?