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[College Football] Big Ten, Texas have initial talks

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I guess the horse is out of the barn but it still seems like UT, OU and A&M united could carry enough weight to get their own TV deal. If the Big 12 lost Neb, OSU and Colorado, they could just add TCU, Utah and BYU.

And no matter the preliminary reports, I can't see T Boone Pickens not wanting to keep OSU tied to UT and OU. That's his play pen of buddies and rivals , his measuring stick for his ego.

Sure they lose the Denver market, but Nebraska is no big loss TV wise. You'd pick up Salt Lake City and Dallas Ft. Worth we know is a band wagon town. If TCU is competitive they will become the Metro darlings. And, DFW would be guaranteed the Big 12 Championship game in Jerryworld.

If Texas wants their own network and is the Big Prize, why don't they just keep and control their own league? In the Central and Mountain time zones so they aren't playing at 10 AM or 10 PM body time. All bookies know traveling two time zones West is worth 6 points on the betting line.

Here's a review and template for day dreaming:

ACC
Boston College
Clemson
Duke
Florida St
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Big 12
Baylor
Colorado
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Missouri
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Big East
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia

Big Ten
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan St
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio St
Penn St
Purdue
Wisconsin

Pacific-10
Arizona
Arizona St
California
Oregon
Oregon St
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington St

SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi St
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Mountain West
Air Force
TCU
BYU
New Mexico
San Diego State
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming

Conference USA
East Carolina
U of H
Marshall
Memphis
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulane
Tulsa
South Florida
Central Florida
UTEP

Independents
Army
Navy
Notre Dame

"In an extraordinary reconfiguration of college football, the Mountain West could benefit — possibly adding Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, even Missouri, Baylor and Boise State. A new conference name might be order, though. Mountain & Plains?"

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15273746

You could name it The Flyover Conference.

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its friday!

so who goes where?

#782 danny317, Jun 11, 2010
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I'm told Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are going to the Pac-10 with or without Texas A&M.

ChipBrownOB
SEC commish Mike Slive laying down the red carpet to get Texas AND Texas A&M. Offered to move 2 teams from SEC W to SEC E for them.

#783 J.R., Jun 11, 2010
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For those who are interested, Chip Brown is hosting the morning show today on www.espnaustin.com today. He has his annual golf tourney this afternoon. He's talkin' big game right now.

Enjoy.

#784 the futants, Jun 11, 2010
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LongTimeFan said:

That link has nothing to do with their performance in athletic sporting events. What has A&M excelled at lately that should put them in the top twenty of athletic programs? That would be like me bragging about Notre Dame being the second best athletic program in the nation and using that link.
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considering money is by far the main factor in all of this, i'd say the information in the link is very important.

#785 Rocketman95, Jun 11, 2010
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rimrocker said:

Now, now. Corvallis is a decently cool little college town with lots of shabby Victorians occupied by absent-minded professors and students. Top it off with a number of nice local brew joints and a view of the Coast Range and a short jaunt to the rugged Oregon coast and it's not the town you're trying to portray here... though they don't have much in the way of four or five star hotels. From now on, when you want to make that point, please use Pullman instead.
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I don't disagree, I'm just pointing out the folly of a story claiming that there is a fomenting Texas alumni revolt over traveling to Pullman/Corvallis/Eugene/Bay Area/LA/Arizona/Seattle in favor of the tourist meccas that are East Lansing, Bloomington, West Lafayette, Champagne, State College and Iowa City.

Honestly, other than Evanston/Chicago and MAYBE Madison WI and Ann Arbor, i can't think of a single Big 10 town that I would even deign to voluntarily visit. Columbus is not too bad, but when you're comparing it to Westwood...yeah.

#786 SamFisher, Jun 11, 2010
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SamFisher said:

I don't disagree, I'm just pointing out the folly of a story claiming that there is a fomenting Texas alumni revolt over traveling to Pullman/Corvallis/Eugene/Bay Area/LA/Arizona/Seattle in favor of the tourist meccas that are East Lansing, Bloomington, West Lafayette, Champagne, State College and Iowa City.
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and not to mention how badly he made his argument. "it's 11:00est!!!"

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Chip Brown is being used like a pawn.

#788 percicles, Jun 11, 2010
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It amuses me that people are saying Chip Brown is being used or is unreliable and those same people are hoping for a different outcome. LOL

Come on guys. All the news that has been breaking has been that Texas wants Pac10. One report comes out and says Big 10 and all of a sudden Chip Brown is being used and is unreliable and it was Big 10 all along!!!!!

#789 justtxyank, Jun 11, 2010
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ChipBrownOB
SEC commish Mike Slive laying down the red carpet to get Texas AND Texas A&M. Offered to move 2 teams from SEC W to SEC E for them.
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I'm sure Arkansans are all for this move.

#790 Lil Pun, Jun 11, 2010
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Chip Brown is being used like a pawn.
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By who?

#791 Major, Jun 11, 2010
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Lose Colorado and Nebraska bring in Notre Dame and Arkansas...

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If Notre Dame goes anywhere it's the Big Ten

#792 King1, Jun 11, 2010
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Lose Colorado and Nebraska bring in Notre Dame and Arkansas...

DD
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Probably a joke but if it is not, Arkansas is not going anywhere.

#793 Lil Pun, Jun 11, 2010

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It would be karmic retribution to see Baylor left out of all of this after the SWC debacle. I sure hope so.
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What did they do wrong? They strong-arm their way into it last time? They had a pretty good program back then. I thought that's why they were picked.

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The Big 12 took a hit but maintained a faint heartbeat at the end of Thursday, and that was reason enough to produce a sigh of relief from one of the conference’s architects.

“We got through the day and lost one. Maybe we’ll be OK,” said Jon Wefald, a former Kansas State president and a Big 12 founding father.

Who knows what this day will be like to get through?

Nebraska, which all week has been expected to announce a move to the Big Ten this afternoon and spark a chain reaction of conference realignment, was upstaged Thursday morning by Colorado and its announcement that it was joining the Pac-10.

Suddenly it appeared the stampede was on a day early. Surely, in the wake of Colorado’s surprise move, the dominoes would not wait for Nebraska now to start falling. The speculation ran rampant with Big 12 schools in the center of the storm.

But by the evening there was no other movement, at least none announced.

In Austin, Texas, a meeting of athletic officials from Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor broke up without no decisions made on their future. A source told an Associated Press reporter there that the situation was “still fluid.”

There was sentiment at the meeting for the Texas schools to remain in the Big 12, according to other reports.

Three of the schools — Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech — along with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have been widely expected to soon join the Pac-10 and help form a lucrative 16-team superconference. But Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said Thursday that his conference may not add another member — at least not yet.

“There are no assurances. … No invitations have been issued” beyond Colorado’s, Scott said.

Separate reports Thursday said Oklahoma and Texas A&M had been contacted by the Southeastern Conference. And Missouri, considered for months as a front-runner to join the Big Ten, remained in limbo, with no offer on the table yet.

Some hopeful news came out of Manhattan, with a source close to the K-State athletic department saying the Pac-10 could be interested in both Kansas and Kansas State in the scenario that it misses out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting.

The Big East and Mountain West conferences could also be possibilities, but both are currently considered long shots, two sources close to the department said
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Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/10/2008282/big-12-has-a-pulse-for-now.html#ixzz0qYU27yy9

Texas and Texas A&M have disagreed more than a few times during their historic rivalry.

The latest difference of opinion could define a changing college landscape for decades. Texas and three other schools in the Big 12 Conference's South Division are looking west to the Pacific-10 Conference as the best hope for their future with the expected demise of their home for the last 14 years.

But Texas A&M would like to at least survey the options in a different part of the country – in the Southeastern Conference – sources familiar with the process said.

A meeting between officials from the two schools Thursday failed to produce a consensus on the direction the Longhorns and Aggies should take, multiple sources said, should the Big 12 collapse as many predict. The time for a decision may approach quickly given the Pac-10's aggressiveness.

Colorado became the first domino to officially tumble Thursday morning, jumping from the Big 12 to the Pac-10 effective with the 2012 football season. Big 12 North Division flagship member Nebraska is expected to accept a Big Ten invitation as early as today, potentially setting off a chain reaction.

And Texas politicians are also making their opinions known about the pending seismic shift, with U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Waco, calling for hearings on the Big 12 situation and its impact on Texas.

Gov. Rick Perry, an A&M alumnus, said Thursday night he has not weighed in on A&M's decision.

"I have studiously stayed away from it," Perry said. "It is a decision that the board of regents should make. Frankly, it doesn't need to have a political aspect to it. It needs to be a thoughtful look at all the consequences, and I think that's what we're doing."

With Nebraska's departure, the Pac-10 would quickly focus on Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the hopes of forming a 16-team, TV network-friendly megaconference.

But A&M isn't yet sold on the package. The Aggies have historic rivals in the SEC, including Arkansas and LSU. They would also give the SEC, which includes football powers Florida and defending national champion Alabama, a key entry point into the Texas market.

After Thursday's meeting, which was attended by A&M President R. Bowen Loftin and athletic director Bill Byrne, the school released a statement: "No decisions were made or agreements reached as a result of these discussions."

The school also reported that no meetings of the board of regents have been scheduled.

One regent, A&M football legend Gene Stallings, told the Austin American-Statesman that the Longhorns and Aggies could join separate conferences.

"I would think there would be a possibility, but to say they'd definitely do that ...?" said Stallings, a former A&M coach who later won a national title at Alabama. "I don't know who all will be involved. But I'd be stupid not to say that. Whether it's much of a possibility, I don't know. I'm not going to venture out on that until I know what all the options are."

Former A&M football coach R.C. Slocum, reached by phone, said he was pleased that Loftin "was very much involved and engaged" just like Texas President William Powers.

"It's such a big decision that I'm glad it will be at the highest level," Slocum said.

Sources indicated that A&M will probably still join Texas and the others in the Pac-10.

Texas has long been on record as favoring the Big 12 as the school's preferred conference. But if Nebraska leaves, Texas would view the Pac-10 as the best option, sources said.

Others are following Texas' lead.

While still expressing hope for a pared-down Big 12 with 10 teams, Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione told the Tulsa World that he is committed to remaining with Texas.

"I think it would be a horrendous decision for OU and Texas to break up," Castiglione said. "We're going to stick together if it's at all possible."

Colorado's departure to the Pac-10 may have effectively shut the door on Baylor's hopes to be part of any exit strategy with its fellow Texas schools.

"We're working feverishly with the conference to keep the Big 12 viable and moving forward," said Baylor athletic director Ian McCaw, whose school also was represented at the meeting.

After Colorado's announcement, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe pledged in a statement to "continue to work through the process that was agreed upon last week by our board of directors to address membership issues, and [we] are working tirelessly towards the long-term viability of the Big 12."

On a teleconference following Colorado's announcement, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott declined to specifically address other Big 12 possibilities.

"No invitations have been issued," he said. "There are still several different scenarios that we may or may not pursue."

A source said that Utah and perhaps Kansas might be considered as replacements for A&M in the 16-team Pac-10 model.

"I'm authorized to pursue several different scenarios," Scott said. "What direction it goes in from this point, I can't say because I don't know."

Meanwhile, Edwards urged Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and Texas House Speaker Joe Straus to call immediate hearings on the possible Big 12 breakup.

"It is important that all the citizens of Texas have a right to have their voices heard on the future of the Big 12 before, not after, all the decisions have been made," Edwards said in a prepared statement.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/061110dnsporealignment.19064ac.html

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A good look at the TV money issue from today's fishwrap if you missed it. Explains some of the Big 12/Pac 10 relationship through FSN.

Dollars stoking realignment fever
Conferences strive to match Big Ten money
By DAVID BARRON
Copyright 2010 Houston Chronicle
June 10, 2010, 11:26PM

Did you realize that as a result of developments Thursday and, apparently, today, involving Nebraska and Colorado, the Big Ten and the Big 12 can change nicknames, and both will be numerically correct?
By Saturday, of course, that line might be outdated. The Big 12 could be down to five teams if the Texas (sans Baylor) and Oklahoma schools join Colorado in bolting for the Pac-10. So this is a punch line with a one-day shelf life.
But realignment talk will go on for weeks to come. It was a particularly hot topic Thursday for discussion — emotional discussion, at that — amid speculation that Nebraska's expected departure today for the Big Ten could spell the end of the Big 12 as more teams follow Colorado to the Pac-10.
On ESPN, Craig James said Texans were “in a state of shock. It's more like disbelief. It's the feeling that an inferior conference in football that has invaded the Texas teams. Why is this inferior conference taking over the Big 12 powerhouse? We got robbed by an inferior conference.”
I can't fully answer James' question, but I can speculate on why a 16-team conference that includes the Pac-10, Colorado and the Big 12 South without Baylor makes economic sense.
The Big 12 and Pac-10 are Fox Sports Net's only college properties. FSN's contract with the Pac-10 ends with the 2011 football season; the Big 12 deal runs through the 2011-12 basketball season.
Both are essential to FSN's historically strong subscriber bases in Southern California and the five-state Fox Sports Southwest region.
After losing out on ACC rights to ESPN, FSN has extra money to throw in the pot for college rights. That figure probably will remain relatively constant, although it will be diminished by the absence of Nebraska.
But FSN is prepared to write a check, and it doesn't make any difference if it writes two checks — one to the Pac-10, one to the Big 12 — or one, to the expanded Pac-10.

FSN is buying games. It wants to fill slots each Saturday at 2:30 p.m. and 6 p.m. It doesn't matter if one slot features a league calling itself the Big 12 and one has a league called the Pac-10, or if both are filled by Pac-16 teams. FSN wants to buy programming.
Every college is shooting for Big 10 money — roughly $20 million per school (the Big 12, which does not have equal distribution for football, this year distributed $139 million, and the SEC distributed $209 million to its 12 schools). FSN (and ESPN or other programmers, for that matter) will bid only so much, so it makes sense from the vantage point of the colleges to divide dollars among as small a group as possible — 16 ways, say, as opposed to 20 or 22. One conference office as opposed to two also cuts down on overhead.
Thus, the Pac-10, with a stable membership, absorbs the most valuable Big 12 franchises — Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado. The pie is split 16 ways, and Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri lose their slices and must dine elsewhere.
A single-entity league also makes it easier for FSN, which has made millions for the Big Ten by administering the Big Ten Network, to establish a single Pac-16 Conference network as opposed to trying to put together a Pac-10 network and a Big 12 network, especially given Texas' lack of interest in the latter.

Texas, which wanted to start its own network, will have to compromise on that point if it opts for the Pac-10 or, for that matter, if it wanted to join the Big Ten.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/barron/7047308.html

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I haven't read through this thread, but I have heard nothing about the implications this has on the BCS.

With more teams in each conference, thus less guaranteed BCS berths, this must mean that a non-BCS school has a better shot at getting into a title game now?

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With more teams in each conference, thus less guaranteed BCS berths, this must mean that a non-BCS school has a better shot at getting into a title game now?
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This might work if it were backwards day.

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EddieWasSnubbed said:

I haven't read through this thread, but I have heard nothing about the implications this has on the BCS.

With more teams in each conference, thus less guaranteed BCS berths, this must mean that a non-BCS school has a better shot at getting into a title game now?
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Those power conferences will renegotiate the terms of the BCS to better favor them if they have to. There was already talk that the Pac16 might push for two BCS berths.

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Here's a review and template for day dreaming:
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Here's what I came up with, 6 16-team conferences, with the MAC going to 12 and Sun Belt to 10. Kansas & K-State get the CUSA shaft in my scenario.

Dubious said:

Here's a review and template for day dreaming:
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Here's what I came up with, 6 16-team conferences, with the MAC going to 12 and Sun Belt remaining in tact. Kansas & K-State get the CUSA shaft in my scenario.

ACC - Defunct

Big 12 - Defunct

Big East
Boston College
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Duke
Louisville
Maryland
Memphis
North Carolina
North Carolina St
South Florida
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia

Big Ten
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan St
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Ohio St
Penn St
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Rutgers
Wisconsin

Pacific-10
Arizona
Arizona St
Colorado
California
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Oregon
Oregon St
Stanford
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington St

SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida St
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Kentucky
LSU
Miami (FL)
Mississippi
Mississippi St
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Mountain West
Air Force
Boise St
BYU
Colorado St
Fresno St
Hawaii
Idaho
Nevada
Nevada Las Vegas
New Mexico
New Mexico St
San Diego State
San Jose St.
Utah
Utah St
Wyoming

WAC - Defunct

Conference USA
Baylor
East Carolina
Houston
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Marshall
Rice
SMU
South Florida
Southern Miss
TCU
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
UTEP

MAC
Akron
Ball State
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Kent State
Miami (OH)
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Western Michigan

Sun Belt
Arkansas St
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee St
North Texas
Troy
Western Kentucky

Independents
Army
Navy

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