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College admissions fraud indictments

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Rashmon

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    "He doesn't have a college diploma, or if he does, there's something on that diploma that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'graduation,' it might have 'Failure.' And if you're a graduate, you don't change your failure, by the way."
     
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    If i read this correctly, there is speculation that this is going to spread to athletes needing to make the scores for admission. the entire thing is just sad. And I'm not sure why this is a story now when (imo) people already believed the wealthy paid to get their kids in and universities made special arrangements for good athletes.

    All of this is terrible, and I am sure there is the individual victim who did not get their dream school, but some of it seems like "breaking news" over what we all suspected.

    My takeaway: the value of the college degree continues to be diminished. It is an odd rite of passage that doesn't actually predict success or prepare one to work. I am leaning more and more to college for all -- IF the students either volunteer for x years in return or we slash the price of college and recognize that there is a whole lot of bs built into these incredible resume builders. (And I think there should be some ramifications if someone spends 4 to 5 years in college and graduates with a D in basket weaving -- there needs to be some form of social compact or otherwise all of this "college for free" is just a boon to the college lobbyists.)
     
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    My kids are about the age I'm thinking about high schools now. So the thing I'm interested in, especially in the Houston area, is which schools have the families that have used these services. Because it says something about the school culture. That a UT coach took a bribe honestly doesn't make me think any differently of UT -- if they had a bunch of coaches doing it, then sure. But I suspect it's different with customers because it'd have to be a word of mouth business, parents talking to other parents.
     
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    This guarantees admission and is cheaper. The donation path isn’t a full guarantee and is more expensive
     
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    I spoke with an ex A&M QB about how these kids get paid. He mentioned in the SEC, there is a huge ring of “donations” made to churches and that’s how they funnel the money to the kids families.

    I always said it was funny how rich families seemed to luck into also having the smartest kids.
     
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  10. pgabriel

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    This story is a 24 news cycle story being blown out of proportion. Its bad and newsworthy but its not thousands of kids cheating and therefore thousands getting robbed

    A few individuals.

    For instance on Tom Joyner a black national radio morning show they're talking like this is the reason black kids aren't prominent at top schools. Im like you gotta be kidding

    Edit: this isn't about the rich holding the rest of us back.
     
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    Well, we don't know how many individuals. But, you're right that it does seem to have resonated beyond it's actual impact. It is the kind of story that checks all the boxes to get people hooked.

    On black kids, I heard one quote from a black college girl I liked -- she said she hears all the time about how black kids like her only got there with affirmative action and don't really belong, and it has been delicious to see the script get flipped.
     
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    When i first heard the story in passing it appeared to be a large connected conspiracy but it just seems the DOJ just decided to crack down on this in general but the suspects arent connected
     
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    Singer alone has admitted to "helping" over 750 families.
     
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    Good thing is that even though this is centuries old, the perps are finally facing repercussions

    It isn't just being swept aside
     
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    It's a poor people problem too. Schools only admit so many...every one of these kids that got in meant someone with lesser means...didn't.

    Loughlin's daughter didn't even want to be in school. Just wanted to go to the parties. THAT is a rich person problem...but still a problem.
     
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    Because they thought they'd be 'smart' and cheat their way in instead. Probably a lot cheaper, too.

    Here's a thought: maybe hire a tutor (a real one)? Make your kid, I don't know...study? Work hard? Nah....
     
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    I don't know that we have any idea yet how many parents/kids were involved.

    As for being blown out of proportion...isn't that EVERY news story?

    I don't take it that way...but those kids that got in this way did misplace others who therefore didn't make it. Which is a shame..although they likely got in somewhere else.


    This involves college entrance cheating, bribes, college sports, rich privilege...how much coverage do you think would be justified? It's certainly got more to it than a lot of the other nothingness they like to inundate us with.
     
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    Maybe that's why its getting the coverage it is, but I'd be fine with that, to a point. I'm sure people like her are enjoying it, and probably deservedly so.

    I haven't been watching that much news, it is really getting THAT much coverage? I mean, they spent months on the Scott Petersen case, often doing nothing other than indicating there was no new information. This has only been a few days, and the coverage I've seen has been sporadic.
     
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    There is plenty of legalized bribary in the college admissions proccess.

    These celebrities were just not rich enough or educated enough to do it the legal way(donate money for a new building or attend the school previously for legacy admissions).

    That's the systemic problem and is far more damaging than affirmative action.
     

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