Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

This one will strengthen Kaepernick's collusion case... and further embarrass both the NFL and trump...

Donald Trump to Jerry Jones on anthem protests, 'You can't win this one': report

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2018/05/jerry_jones_donald_trump.html

'You can't win this one': What President Trump told Jerry Jones in private about player protests

https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-win-o...-jones-private-player-protests-182554834.html

 

Trump is incapable of embarrassment and further he cannot lose with protesting the anthem. He has aligned himself as a president in support of the anthem, if they continue to protest he has an enemy to get people angry, if they stop he did something. win win.

 

Trump clearly demonstrate he does not respect the constitution and goes against it for political gain. The very people that cry about respect for the flag due to trump is exactly disrespecting what the flag stands for.

 

He has shown that he doesn't really care about America just himself the player have stated on multiple occasions that it not about the flag.

 

Funny that this thread about a former NFL QB turned into a thread of nothing more than whining about the president...

 

I think we know that he aligned himself to only himself, and in this case, against free expression.

It’s a win win among his core supporters. Not a hard thing to do given his base. Anything that he does to create motivational anger is a win for him among his base. The ‘Democrat love ms-13’ is a good recent example.

Overall, I think it’s a loss. He traded motivating his base against alienate some (those few that has very principled view toward constitutional rights) of his soft supporters and he is not going to win over anyone else outside of his base on this issue especially now that we know he directly pressured nfl owners for political gain.

 

NFL fans overwhelmingly approve of the new policy. Trump is being giving credit by the media who think the policy makes him look bad. They are handing him his victory.

 

Related but separate. You can be both for the new policy and against trump actions.

No surprise that support for the new nfl policy is high. And there should be no surprise that support for freedom of expression is high. And there should be no surprise that support for the kneeling protest and the POTUS actions are low.

Win, as if it’s a game, among his core supporters sure. Which also reflect that they only care about winning and not principle such as freedom of expression. Among his non core supporters or generally overall, support for the president actions is low.

 

His actions of speaking and tweeting? Most people in the country are anti-Trump which of course you can be anti-Trump but happy with the NFL decision. He said it was a problem, the fans agreed, the NFL agreed, he "was on the right side of history" as you love to say.

When Trump backs a policy, support nationally for the policy drops. Him backing the policy and the policy prevailing is by any measure a win.

I take your arguments in a similar way I would take an argument stating Trump lost because people still dislike him.

 

heh... wonder what trump's excuse will be to duck this subpoena?

Kaepernick lawyers to subpoena Trump, Pence as part of NFL collusion case: report
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ubpoena-trump-pence-as-part-of-collusion-case

 

The problem is the fans agreeing. I have a vitriolic hatred for any veteran or citizen who tries to make an issue that has nothing to do with veterans into an issue of "attacking veterans".

For the civilians, it's hiding behind jingoism to ignore an issue. For many veterans, it's their ego and interjecting everything in relations to them that shows their narcissistic attitude.

For many veterans it's both.

The vast majority of fans who think the NFL made the right decision take **** breaks or go to the fridge to stock up on their diabetus snakcs and drinks during the pregame ceremonies.

I'm less irked by the NFL as I understand they are making a legal pragamtic decision in regards to their business.

I think any fan who thinks that kneeling is "disrespecting America " or "disrespecting the veterans" is a piece of ****.

 

Rotoworld:
Colin Kaepernick's collusion case against the NFL is headed to trial after an independent arbitrator refused the league's request for a summary judgement.

It means the arbitrator believed Kap's legal team presented enough evidence for the case to move forward. A trial could apparently take place during the season. That would be the last thing the besieged shield needs. Profootballtalk reported last October that Kaepernick is seeking to trigger a clause that would invalidate the collective bargaining agreement. That would be a doomsday-type moment for the league.

Arbitrator sends Kaepernick's grievance against NFL to trial

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — An arbitrator is sending Colin Kaepernick's grievance with the NFL to trial, denying the league's request to throw out the quarterback's claims that owners conspired to keep him out of the league because of his protests of social injustice.

Kaepernick's lawyer Mark Geragos tweeted a picture Thursday of a ruling by arbitrator Stephen B. Burbank.

The former 49ers quarterback argues that owners have colluded to keep him off any NFL roster since he hit free agency in 2017.

Kaepernick began a wave of protests by NFL players two seasons ago, kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial inequality. The protests have grown into one of the most polarizing issues in sports, with President Donald Trump loudly urging the league to suspend or fire players who demonstrate during the anthem.

Kaepernick contends the owners violated their collective bargaining agreement with players by conspiring to keep him off of teams.

The case hinges on whether owners worked together rather than decided individually to not sign Kaepernick.

A similar grievance is still pending by unsigned safety Eric Reid, who played with Kaepernick in San Francisco and joined in the protests.

Meanwhile, the league and players union still haven't resolved whether players will be punished this season if they choose to kneel or demonstrate during the national anthem.

Owners approved a policy requiring players to stand if they are on the sideline during the national anthem, allowing them to stay off the field if they wish. But the league and union put that on hold after the Miami Dolphins faced backlash for classifying the protests as conduct potentially detrimental to the team — putting players at risk of fines or suspensions.​

 

J.R. only beat you by 15 hours, good job.

 

Iran clearly needs an NFL consultant.

 

Unfortunately for Kaepernick, what he chose to "believe in" was a false narrative and he then decided to sacrifice the rest of his career by actively turning down contract after contract so he can appear to be a victim.

 

bet this guy is a big Tebow fan as well