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Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BleedRocketsRed, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. ipaman

    ipaman Member

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    I'm not stepping back from anything. I believe racism and discrimination affect the whole world and Mr. Lynch, @fchowd0311 , and you don't. I also believe that if you stand for something it should be for everyone not just a small group, you all don't. You all don't which is fine but I have the right to call you out for the hypocrisy.
     
  2. ipaman

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    i'm talking about burying my uncle in cuidad piedras negras, some cousins in cuidad monclova, searching for neices in estado coahuila, i'm talking about my aunt who lives in cuidad nuevo laredo crossing the border to clean houses and have to pay bribes to zetas just to go back home every night, etc... i'm talking about all that ****.

    what are you talking about?
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    It would help if so many didn't lie about it.....Michael Bennett.....and there weren't so many pushing false narratives that have been proven to be false time and time again. It's just impossible to believe the "hands up don't shoot" crowd at this point.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    I think it's more virtuous to be more self crritical of your own country.

    Lynch was a guest in another country. He doesn't have nuances knowledge of how law enforcement is in Mexico. He was raised in a poor neighborhood in the US and has a nuanced understanding of the relationship between law enforcement and his community. He is making statements on matters he understands.

    Standing for a national anthem in sporting event is the status quo action that doesn't make any statement. Therefore he chose the status quo action of standing for the Mexican anthem as it was an apolitical gesture. Again, he's a guest in another country he's hardly ever visited or has any nuanced knowledge in.
     
  5. ipaman

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    The second he didn't stand for USA BUT decided to stand for Mexico he made a statement and he can be judged for it. Personally, if I were him I would have stood for both (has a guest in a foreign country) or stood for neither (be consistent in your important message). He didn't so he sent a message all right.

    Also you thinking it's more virtuous to criticize your own country is laughable and insulting to others.
     
  6. JayGoogle

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    You don't stand for Lynch and his community, that much is evident here.

    Why expect something from him that you won't do yourself?

    Do you stand for his community? Do you stand for the injustices of women in the Middle East? Of child laborers? Of modern day slavery? If you aren't working as hard as you are against these injustices then you sir are a hypocrite, your own logic here.

    Your argument is flimsy and frail, and it's proven because how quickly you've resorted to personal attacks and insults. Your entire argument is that if Lynch doesn't recognize YOUR plight, then he's a hypocrite.

    How about this, try and get in touch with Lynch then. See what he thinks about those issues. If he dismisses them then, you'd have something. Until then, you have nothing but an assumption.

    It seems entirely likely that Lynch doesn't understand all that is going on in Mexico and is more concerned about his community (And simply sees Kneeling as speaking for HIS community), as you are yours, and there is nothing wrong with that.
     
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    Thank you for getting it maybe if other on this site would open there eyes and see what has really been going on i say Thank You sir.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Standing for the national anthem in a sporting event is the status quo action. There is no statement made when one does this at it the natural action everyone does.

    It seems like you already KNOW that Lynch was playing comparative politics. You are just trying really hard to be outraged.
     
  9. CometsWin

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    What the hell does that have to do with the national anthem? What in the...
     
  10. JayGoogle

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    Also, you should clarify what you said, that Lynch isn't impacting real lives. How can I honestly have a discussion with someone when I present them with truths and they are ignored for what they want to be true?

    Truth is, he is impacting real lives. Just because he took a minute to kneel doesn't mean he's not doing charity work. He's doing a lot more than your average athlete in all actuality. Can you even admit that? Admit you were wrong about this particular player?
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Ipaman :" You are a b**** ass who's never struggled in life and had everything handed to you!! It's obvious that Lynch hates Mexican citizens and loves the corrupt Mexican government."
     
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    Surprised it took so long for people to start paying attention to Lynch. At least Kaep thinks what he's doing is more respectful by sitting. Lynch just doesn't give a damn. Though he's just trolling because he knows it's probably his last year and he's fine retiring or getting fined. NFL should fine him, and should have been from the start of the season.
     
  13. ipaman

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    So uniformed it's sad. Check my history, I've railed against LEOs in this country. I've support BLM (not the violence). I've called out Apple, Nike, Disney, H&M, Gap, etc... many times for their child labor. Personally, I've got several charities I've spent time and money on that support these and other causes. I've supported Save the Children with donations and smile Amazon, honestly thousands of dollars at this point for so many issues including droughts and famines in Rwandan, Sudan, Yemen, etc... for example and I do okay for myself but nothing like a professional athlete does. I'm the only one who's consistent and honest in this conversation frankly.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    We definitely should fine players for not standing over a tax payer funded jingoist side show for recruitment purposes. Makes sense.
     
  15. ipaman

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    Don't have time to teach you like a 2 year old.
     
  16. CometsWin

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    Teach me that Marshawn should have sat for the Mexican national anthem too because your aunt and the zetas and drugs and America.. yeah.
     
  17. ipaman

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    kneeling for one and standing for the other exposes him and his support. could have stood for both or kneel for both to avoid that hypocrisy.
     
  18. ipaman

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    Go back and read b****, I'm not going to re-write everything for your lazy ass.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Exposes what exactly?

    You even have hinted that you admit that he isn't playing comparative politics?

    Do you think in his mind, he was playing comparative politics or was it just that he was a guest in a foreign country and didn't want to make a political statement over an issue he has no experience with?
     
  20. dobro1229

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    Just note that the Kneeling thing was all but out of the news and national conversation AGAIN but Trump just had to bring it back.

    It just shows that Trump and his racist fans want to make this a bigger issue than it actually is to win some sort of twisted culture war. How sad and pathetic peoples lives are especially our troll president.
     

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