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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Apr 30, 2006.

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RocketMan Tex said:

Show me, in any of my posts, where I said that I wish it would happen.

I wish it wouldn't happen. I also wish that we wouldn't have attacked and occupied Iraq.

That being said, regardless of my wishes, I do believe it will happen, and the only person you can realistically blame for it, is George W. Bush himself.

Gwayneco, it would behoove you to try to stop putting words into my mouth.
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Before I back away from the keyboard and consume a tasty beverage, I would like to say that I have always been fond of the word "behoove" and would like to use it more in conversation.

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gwayneco said:

I would like to say that I have always been found of the word "behoove" and would like to use it more in conversation.
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I've always been found of people who can actually spell

#142 plcmts17, May 3, 2006
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plcmts17 said:

I've always been found of people who can actually spell
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Fixed it Stalag17.

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Gwayenco getting owned in this thread

Nothing new here, move along.

#144 boomer83, May 3, 2006
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gwayneco said:

Before I back away from the keyboard and consume a tasty beverage, I would like to say that I have always been found of the word "behoove" and would like to use it more in conversation.
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Putting a tasty beverage into your mouth is definitely safer than trying to put words into my mouth.

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It behooves me to delete this post.

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I've always been found of people who can actually spell
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Like this guy.

Yeah but when someone else does it then he has a problem with it. You could see the look on his face. He was not amused.
I have to give it to Bush though, his routine was alot better than the looking for WMD "joke" he tried several years ago. That was a real hoot Huh?
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#147 gwayneco, May 3, 2006

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By the way, I really like the word "behoove" too.

It makes me sound like I went to law school, like my parents always wanted me to.

Other words that I like include "inundate" and "personify".

My favorite curse word is "motherf*cker", even though I do not have an incestuous bone in my body nor have Oedipus as my middle name.

That is all. Carry on.

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fair enough

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That's right boy, you remove that post.

Fear is a very powerful emotion.

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boomer83 said:

That's right boy, you remove that post.

Fear is a very powerful emotion.
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Are you threatening me?

BTW, here's liberal Richard Cohen's take:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/03/AR2006050302202.html

So Not Funny

By Richard Cohen
Thursday, May 4, 2006; Page A25

First, let me state my credentials: I am a funny guy. This is well known in certain circles, which is why, even back in elementary school, I was sometimes asked by the teacher to "say something funny" -- as if the deed could be done on demand. This, anyway, is my standing for stating that Stephen Colbert was not funny at the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner. All the rest is commentary.

The commentary, though, is also what I do, and it will make the point that Colbert was not just a failure as a comedian but rude. Rude is not the same as brash. It is not the same as brassy. It is not the same as gutsy or thinking outside the box. Rudeness means taking advantage of the other person's sense of decorum or tradition or civility that keeps that other person from striking back or, worse, rising in a huff and leaving. The other night, that person was George W. Bush.

Colbert made jokes about Bush's approval rating, which hovers in the middle 30s. He made jokes about Bush's intelligence, mockingly comparing it to his own. "We're not some brainiacs on nerd patrol," he said. Boy, that's funny.

Colbert took a swipe at Bush's Iraq policy, at domestic eavesdropping, and he took a shot at the news corps for purportedly being nothing more than stenographers recording what the Bush White House said. He referred to the recent staff changes at the White House, chiding the media for supposedly repeating the cliche "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" when he would have put it differently: "This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring. If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg." A mixed metaphor, and lame as can be.

Why are you wasting my time with Colbert, I hear you ask. Because he is representative of what too often passes for political courage, not to mention wit, in this country. His defenders -- and they are all over the blogosphere -- will tell you he spoke truth to power. This is a tired phrase, as we all know, but when it was fresh and meaningful it suggested repercussions, consequences -- maybe even death in some countries. When you spoke truth to power you took the distinct chance that power would smite you, toss you into a dungeon or -- if you're at work -- take away your office.

But in this country, anyone can insult the president of the United States. Colbert just did it, and he will not suffer any consequence at all. He knew that going in. He also knew that Bush would have to sit there and pretend to laugh at Colbert's lame and insulting jokes. Bush himself plays off his reputation as a dunce and his penchant for mangling English. Self-mockery can be funny. Mockery that is insulting is not. The sort of stuff that would get you punched in a bar can be said on a dais with impunity. This is why Colbert was more than rude. He was a bully.

I am not a member of the White House Correspondents' Association, and I have not attended its dinner in years (I watched this year's on C-SPAN). The gala is an essentially harmless event that requires the presence of one man, the president. If presidents started not to show up, the organization would have to transform itself into a burial association. But presidents come and suffer through a ritual that most of them find mildly painful, not to mention boring. Whatever the case, they are guests. They don't have to be there -- and if I were Bush, next year I would not. Spring is a marvelous time to be at Camp David.

On television, Colbert is often funny. But on his own show he appeals to a self-selected audience that reminds him often of his greatness. In Washington he was playing to a different crowd, and he failed dismally in the funny person's most solemn obligation: to use absurdity or contrast or hyperbole to elucidate -- to make people see things a little bit differently. He had a chance to tell the president and much of important (and self-important) Washington things it would have been good for them to hear. But he was, like much of the blogosphere itself, telling like-minded people what they already know and alienating all the others. In this sense, he was a man for our times.

He also wasn't funny.

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gwayneco said:

Are you threatening me?
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Here you come again
Just when I’m about to make it work without you
You waltz right in the door
Just like you done before
And wrap my heart ’round your little finger
Here you come again
Just when I’m about to make it work without you
You look into my eyes
And light those dreamy eyes
And pretty soon I’m wonderin’
How I came to doubt you
All you gotta do
Is smile that smile
And there go all my defenses
Just leave it up to you
And in a little while
You’re messin’ up my mind
An’ fillin’ up my senses

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^^^Sounds like someone's pissed they didn't get an invitation to dinner!

LOL!!!

And Richard Cohen is far from being a libpig!

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gwayneco said:

Are you threatening me?
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No, but I sure could use another soy latte.....

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From today's NYTs

The "debate" in the blogosphere over Stephen Colbert's performance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner misses the point. The routine was neither a flop nor very funny.

Mr. Colbert's aim wasn't to please the attendees; there was no trace of anxiety when a "zinger" was received in silence. His real audience was at home, and his aim was to make his allegiances clear. On that score, it was no flop.

And although I am a fan of Mr. Colbert, I rarely laughed. If his performance wasn't funny, perhaps it was because he wasn't joking.

Andrew Price
Berkeley, Calif., May 3, 2006
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mc mark said:

From today's NYTs
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Cohen (the writer) hit it on the head. The problem I have with Colbert's performance is that he took advantage of the situation. He knew Bush couldn't kick him out or yell at him. What he did wasn't brave as some are saying. It doesn't take a lot of courage to make fun of someone you know will not retaliate.

If you're invited as a comedian be funny.

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Deckard said:

Can you put that in English? Thanks.
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No kidding - I have no idea wtf gwayneco was trying to get at.

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gwayneco said:

Anybody who wishes to see a President of the US hauled before a bunch of judges at the Hague on war crimes is really sick.
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Patriotism != Blind Loyalty.

Try thinking critically and establishing some principles of your own instead of just chanting "USA USA".

It doesn't matter whether or not Bush committed "war crimes". The mere fact that you find legitimately punishing any US president under international law reprehensible is repugnant.

Hooray for democracy - bummer that what you advocate is a dictatorship.

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Cohen (the writer) hit it on the head. The problem I have with Colbert's performance is that he took advantage of the situation. He knew Bush couldn't kick him out or yell at him. What he did wasn't brave as some are saying. It doesn't take a lot of courage to make fun of someone you know will not retaliate.

If you're invited as a comedian be funny.
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Boo Hoo!

Poor widdle bushy got his feewings hurt!

About dam time

#159 mc mark, May 4, 2006
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Patriotism != Blind Loyalty.

Try thinking critically and establishing some principles of your own instead of just chanting "USA USA".

It doesn't matter whether or not Bush committed "war crimes". The mere fact that you find legitimately punishing any US president under international law reprehensible is repugnant.

Hooray for democracy - bummer that what you advocate is a dictatorship.
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When we get a President who deserves to be punished, fine. But I still don't trust any Euros to do the judging because I do not trust them to be fair.

#160 gwayneco, May 4, 2006

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