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CNN's Jim Acosta has press pass suspended by White House

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  1. Astrodome

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    Most of the allegations were after the access Hollywood tape came out. Coincidence?

    No charges.
     
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  2. Aleron

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    yeah gaslighting is a thing, we're now onto blaming the intern, this is always step 3, whose job is to take the microphone and move it on, all those people she's battered in every press conference, the journalists know their responsibility, when the president moves on, they give it up.

    But then this whole thing is so stupid though, I don't think Acosta had any intent at all, he's clearly not focused on her, and seems somewhat stricken with anger towards Trump, so she reaches for the microphone, its not a conscious decision at all, but he pulls it slightly back and and moves his arm down on her. A simple apology that he was overly focused on his job and and pushed her away without thinking would suffice and be perfectly reasonable, it would make him seem contrite without seeming irresponsible, and would force Trump to be magnanimous (there's a clash of world views here which ill explain at the bottom)

    Instead what do we get?

    He didn't touch her? we're not friggin blind

    Doctored video using delayed footage in order to claim "their video is doctored" (what they're doing is starting slightly behind and because the movement accelerates at the end, the cutover image spreads apart making it look doctored, not only is it dishonest, it's also irrelevant, as the issue is whether he touched her, not whether there's a 0.001 second difference in the movement. My issue with the video is the use of zoom, it creates focus that impacts our bias (we subconsciously assess intent, it's why slomo has a similar impact).

    We're also moving into the something something Trump did something something territory.

    And then comes...It was her fault

    Let's summarise this, tactic 1 - deny, not believed, tactic 2 - deflect, not believed, tactic 3 - blame the other person.

    Know where we've seen this recently? Jamal Khashoggi's death wasn't our fault - denial, he left the embassy - deflect, he got in a fist fight - blame the other person, it's a tried and true method of lying, the party changes, the process never does.

    The world view thing is interesting, it's because what an apology means is different to the two world views, on the left, an apology has come to mean a submission to their power, vindicating punishment, it's why for people like Tim Hunt it got worse after his apology, this is why the natural response from the left media is to under not apologise and instead jump into lie mode. The right's world view is an apology is a sign of contrition, it lessens the punishment, and if one doesn't surrender ground after an apology, they are seen as being unreasonable. Until an apology is issued, Trump has the high ground (like maybe the only time in his life :rolleyes:)

    This is why someone like BLM's Hank Newsome is so effective, he knows how to frame his concerns in a way that crosses the divide rather than earning progressive brownie points trying to stomp on the other side.
     
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  3. biff17

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    Dude you just acknowledged the Access tape.

    What more do you need?
     
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    Yep, I was thinking that surely the WH could afford more than one mic/mike, and would be more prepared than it was. But, you're right, it's somewhat unprecedented, although the build up to this has been pretty clear.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation. I thought I was going blind. great post.
     
  6. ipaman

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    you know what's also a thing... multiple mistakes by multiple people. well it used to be a thing, not so much anymore.
     
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    I believe he had multiple allegations starting back in the 90s.
     
  8. Falcons Talon

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    DD, I understand that completely. It was an honest question.
     
  9. Falcons Talon

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    Actually, I'm in the camp that believes all people have flaws. I have heard time and time again that "politicians represent us and have to be held to a higher standard", until their guy screws up, and then it becomes, "Well yours is worse than ours". I am cautious of politicians, but I understand that there are probably some honest and sincere politicians out there. I am no absolutist.
     
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    Came across this pertinent posting from Jim Wright, retired having served as a Naval commander and in Naval Intelligence:

    "The White House revoked press credentials for CNN's Jim Acosta.

    The White House first claimed Acosta was badgering Trump (and how you badger the President is beyond me).

    When that didn't fly, the White House released a doctored video -- a clumsily and obviously doctored video -- claiming Acosta assaulted a White House intern.

    Acosta did NOT assault anyone.

    He simply did his job and attempted to hold Government accountable. His only crime was trying to make Trump answer a question.

    Trump repeatedly declares the Press as the enemy of the People.

    He repeatedly attacks CNN and Acosta in particular.

    His rhetoric has directly resulted in violence against the Press.

    Listen to me: The Press is the ONLY private enterprise given enumerated rights in the Constitution.

    The Press is the ONLY private enterprise given enumerated rights by the Constitution without caveat or restriction.

    And the Press was given this right SPECIFICALLY because journalists are SUPPOSED to aggressively question our government. The Press is SUPPOSED TO BADGER THE PRESIDENT, CONGRESS, POLITICIANS, THE COURTS.

    THAT IS THE PRESS'S JOB.

    Acosta seems to be one few journalists who understand this.

    The Press is not the enemy of the People.

    The Press is the watchdog of Liberty and the rightful adversary of tyrants.

    Thus, if you declare the Press as your enemy, you by default must be the tyrant."
     
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    Unless the press is propgandizing to only corporate interests... that itself is an oligarchy that ignores ita duty. You are a fool if you think being an ******* is his right. He has his rights. He can go tweet whatever he wants but you arent owed a press pass.
     
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    He raped Ivana.
     
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    The white house did not allege an "assault"

    CNN claims the incident didn't happen and acosta did not touch the intern.
     
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    trump lies... about everything.

     
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    Its clear that viewing either of the videos (the original or the infowars/whitehouse doctored video) that the only contact made between Acosta and the white house intern was his arm coming in contact with her arm as she reached across his body to grab the microphone. Whether you believe his arm touched hers, or her arm touched his, the trump/shs/white house version of the contact is still a lie.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/08/whi...acosta-after-a-confrontation-with-trump-.html
     
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    The inevitable walking back...

     
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    'There could be others': Trump poised to ban more journalists from the White House

    President Trump said that more journalists could be barred from the White House following the decision to rescind the credentials of CNN reporter Jim Acosta.

    Speaking to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House before leaving for Europe, Trump said that "this is a very sacred place to be" and that journalists did not have a guaranteed right to work there. "You've got to treat the White House and the office of the presidency with respect," he said.

    Trump singled out April Ryan of American Urban Radio Networks, saying that "she's very nasty and she shouldn't be". He has often clashed with Ryan, a persistent Trump critic who last year became a CNN contributor, and was irked this week when she tried shouting out questions to him at his free-wheeling Wednesday press conference.
     
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    It is more than just "not liking who is running the show". The President doesn't respect the office. He has forever damaged the "respect for the office" with his actions and words.

    The press needs to ask the hard questions. Acosta was doing just that. Unfortunately Trump and his team continue to dodge questions and blatantly lie and people just accept it as the new norm. The SHS tweet of the doctored video show just who is pushing the "fake news."

    This is all from an independent voter who at one point considered voting for Trump because I felt like our government was no longer "for the people" but had become "for the corporations and their profits." Draining the swamp sounded like a good idea... until it turns out he wanted to fill it back up with raw sewage.
     
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