Dowson college shooting?It doesn't matter where you are,crazy people are everywhere. Terrible day for the Amrican.
April is the 4th month is consider a bad month Four means "dead/death" in chinese bad # as oppose to Eight means "rich"
"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said of the gunman. Shash said the gunman spent a lot of his free time playing basketball, and wouldn't respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet. Dude. I knew a guy like this! Except, he found the holy ghost then got married and has a happy life now. I mean I'm sure you dudes know dudes like this too. A Korean dude who plays hoops doesnt act social at all.
Of course crazy people can go on a killing spree anywhere. I was stating the fact that Montreal, a diverse city with a population over a million, has an extremely low homicide rate. So it does matter where you are. If you are in Montreal vs. Baltimore, you are much less likely to be murdered. I think if we really want to learn something about reducing violent crime (not just spree killings), it makes sense to look to other societies that are as similar to us as possible and have less violent crime.
For South Koreans, if you immigrate to another country by applying visas thru legal means, you are exempt from obligatory military service. But if you go back to Korea before the age of 35 (Korean age), you are still obligated to your military duties. Foreign students with student visas are the ones that must go back, one way or another they'll need to serve. But even they have a way out, they could obtain green cards and petition South Korean Military for exemption of service since they can claim themselves as Legal Immigrants. I'm quarter Korean and i stayed in Korea between the ages of 10 to 14. I have cousins who have served and a cousin who just went back to korea after finishing his master's in NYU. I have fairly accurate information when it comes to korean military policy because my korean side relatives were all subject to it. It's very unlikely that the shooter served in the korean military, simply because he didn't have to. I don't know why this fact is relevant to this tragic incident, but i'm just posting the correct information. May the victims rest in peace and i hope the familes and relatives of the victims will find strenght from God.
Do you think this is going to result in any public backlash against Koreans? So far, I'm glad that the media hasn't made it as much. The S. Korean gov't has even issued its condolences. Me - I'm old enough to remember the LA Riots. With that event, I thought race relations were pretty ugly esp. between black people and Koreans. As part Korean, do you worry about this kind of racial prejudice? theSAGE
i want to read more about the note he left... abc mentions it one of their headlines yet hardly make any reference to it, other than that he blamed someone specifically (ex i'm sure) and that it was several pages long.
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I wasn't old enough to quite remember this, the most vivid memory I have about the riots is "A Different World" episode about it. I'd love to hear the details. I'm assuming it was mainly due to Korean owned stores being hit?
Yeah,I agree with most what you said,I live in montreal myself.I am just saying things like college shooting are pretty random.In these cases,dosen't matter you live in montreal or Baltimore.
Cho showed signs of mental illness before the incident. http://financial.washingtonpost.com/custom/wpost/html-story.asp?dispnav=business&mwpage=story&symb=&guid={A29D30FC-0CF8-433C-A264-09E7216F2795} Va. Tech Gunman Writings Raised Concerns BLACKSBURG, Va., Apr 17, 2007 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- The gunman suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead was identified Tuesday as an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service. News reports also said that he may have been taking medication for depression, that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic, and that he left a note in his dorm in which he railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior, arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., officials said. He was living on campus in a different dorm from the one where Monday's bloodbath began. Police and university officials offered no clues as to exactly what set him off on the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history. "He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said. Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled." "There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this." She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws. The Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site that he left a note in his dorm room that included a rambling list of grievances. Citing identified sources, the Tribune said he had recently shown troubling signs, including setting a fire in a dorm room and stalking some women. ABC, citing law enforcement sources, reported that the note, several pages long, explains Cho's actions and says, "You caused me to do this." Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression, the Tribune reported. The rampage consisted of two attacks, more than two hours apart - first at a dormitory, where two people were killed, then inside a classroom building, where 31 people, including Cho, died after being locked inside, Virginia State Police said. Cho committed suicide; two guns were found in the classroom building. One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident, federal officials said. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. Investigators stopped short of saying Cho carried out both attacks. But ballistics tests show one gun was used in both, Virginia State Police said. And two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on the two guns used in the rampage. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said. Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said it was reasonable to assume that Cho was the shooter in both attacks but that the link was not yet definitive. "There's no evidence of any accomplice at either event, but we're exploring the possibility," he said. Officials said Cho graduated from a public high school in Chantilly, Va., in 2003. His family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va., a Washington suburb. "He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet. Marshall Main, who lives across the street, said the family had lived in the townhouse for several years. According to court records, Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23. South Korea's Foreign Ministry expressed its condolences, and said South Korea hoped that the tragedy would not "stir up racial prejudice or confrontation." "We are in shock beyond description," said Cho Byung-se, a ministry official handling North American affairs. "We convey deep condolences to victims, families and the American people." A memorial service was planned for the victims Tuesday afternoon at the university, and President Bush planned to attend, the White House said. Gov. Tim Kaine was flying back to Virginia from Tokyo for the gathering. Classes were canceled for the rest of the week. Many students were leaving town quickly, lugging pillows, sleeping bags and backpacks down the sidewalks. Jessie Ferguson, 19, a freshman from Arlington, left Newman Hall and headed for her car with tears streaming down her red cheeks. "I'm still kind of shaky," she said. "I had to pump myself up just to kind of come out of the building. I was going to come out, but it took a little bit of 'OK, it's going to be all right. There's lots of cops around.'" Although she wanted to be with friends, she wanted her family more. "I just don't want to be on campus," she said. The first deadly attack was at the dormitory around 7:15 a.m., but some students said they didn't get their first warning about a danger on campus until two hours later, in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m. By then the second attack had begun. Two students told NBC's "Today" show they were unaware of the dorm shooting when they walked into Norris Hall for a German class where the gunman later opened fire. The victims in Norris Hall were found in four different classrooms and a stairwell, Flaherty said. Cho was found dead in one of those classrooms, he said. Derek O'Dell, his arm in a cast after being shot, described a shooter who fired away in "eerily silence" with "no specific target - just taking out anybody he could." After the gunman left the room, students could hear him shooting other people down the hall. O'Dell said he and other students barricaded the door so the shooter couldn't get back in - though he later tried. "After he couldn't get the door open he tried shooting it open ... but the gunshots were blunted by the door," O'Dell said. University President Charles Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack. He said that before the e-mail was sent, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms and sent people to knock on doors. Students were warned to stay inside and away from the windows. "We can only make decisions based on the information you had at the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it," Steger said. Until Monday, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself. Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police. --- Associated Press Writer Justin Pope in Blacksburg contributed to this report.
The scary thing is that for every one Cho Seung Hui, I knew probably 10 others from my past just like him per this description. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting For all the talk about solutions to this tragic event, the question for me is whether society is now aware that "hey, maybe we should extend our hand in friendship to that quiet dude who acts like he's publicly alienated?" imho the root of the problem is neither guns, nor college security, nor is it Virginia Tech's administrators, but rather, society's social exclusion of people who are outside of the "norm," whatever that norm may be. Integration is still a very touchy subject in the U.S. imo. Throw together a bunch of people of different races, and automatically, a melting pot one does not get. When people can finally see other people, of any color, of any race, as their own kin can we safely say that people are truly integrated. This is why I say that society, esp. American society, is at its best when it is color-blind. theSAGE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting "and that he left a note in his dorm in which he railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus" that's all i've found about the note.
They've already stated that he continually refused to acknolwedge people who greeted him. It's not always society's fault when something like this happens. It's time we started holding people accountable and responsible for their own actions. This guy did this to himself. He blamed everyone else but himself for his problems (as can be seen by his railing against the rich and against "campus charlatans"). This is what happens as a result.
Let me preface this by saying that I'm grossly oversimplifying things in this summary but this is what I remember. It started with this guy called Rodney King was was wrongfully beaten up by the cops. This case went to trial and didn't end well. And so this galvanized the black community to riots - riots which included store-breakins and looting in a part of LA that is largely minority owned but where many shop-keeps were Korean. For all the racial tension between the have and have-nots that had been brewing here, the whole thing turned racial and aggreived Koreans took center stage. As the thing got ugly, military had to be called in to restore order. Since then, I'm always mindful of the behind-the-scenes tension between minorities that, in my mind, is still there, but just unspoken. theSAGE
You are wrong. He has to serve onlyif he stays in Korea for more than a half year. I could explain that he flunked out an yr or two.. I was once 25 yrs old Sr... it is not that uncommon to find an old college student.
