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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by weslinder, Jan 30, 2008.

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  1. meh

    meh Member

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    I never really thought about this deeply before(too young to pay attention to politics in detail). But you're so right. There are many instances where I'd agree wholeheartedly with a candidate, but still be annoyed with him for the way he acts. Al Gore is the perfect example.
     
  2. mc mark

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    Lots of people think that was the turning point of that election.
     
  3. rimrocker

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    The turning point of that election was the day Scalia got put on the court.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    Change and hope are pretty vague terms that could mean anything once the person is elected. It's a low cost and effective line.
     
  5. rodrick_98

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    the line plays on emotion and feelings rather than thought... but it works.
     
  6. geeimsobored

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    I just watched the debate.

    Man McCain just sounded like a complete douchebag and to come out looking more of a condescending than Mitt Romney is pretty impressive.

    Just an ugly sight to see.
     
  7. yaoluv

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    I liked when Mccain wouldn't say if he would vote for his own immigration bill.

    ya, real straight talk there
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    Keep on representing the approximately 1% of the country that is not only not totally embarassed by Bush but lives in a total time suck such that they think it's still acceptable to enthusiastically support him. What??? Not only is every single contender for the GOP nomination running as fast as they can from Bush, but even basso, even the Jorgie/texxx twins, don't talk about him anymore. (In fact, those guys are so embarassed by Bush and the rest of their party they can't even figure out who they like in the race.) And you're still proudly pimping Bush? You still suggest he's been a success? That is fricking AWESOME! Hilarious and awesome.
     
  9. giddyup

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    Wow... 1% Approval Ratings for Bush; I didn't know.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5491986.html


    Texas fades from power as Bush gives last State of Union address

    By SUZANNE GAMBOA Associated Press Writer
    © 2008 The Associated Press

    WASHINGTON — President Bush begins the final fade of the once-powerful Texas posse in Washington by delivering his last state of the Union address Monday.

    It will be another year before Bush gives his final, "Adios, y'all," wave on the White House lawn. But his State of the Union speech begins the rolling up of the carpet of power in Congress and the White House that has been a walkway for so many Texans over the 20th century.

    "Texas the last two years has been at its weakest point in many decades in Congress. Now with Bush in his last year in the presidency, Texas is at low point in term of influence. You have to look back a century to find the equivalent," said Cal Jillson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University.

    Bush is beginning the end with a 34 percent approval rating, according to an Associated Press/Ipsos poll conducted earlier this month.

    In his final year in office, the lowest approval rating for the previous President Bush — the current president's father — was 29 percent in the summer of 1992. During most of that year his approval ranged from the low 30s to the mid 40s.

    Another former Texas president, Lyndon B. Johnson, had approval ratings in the low to mid-40s in most of his last year in the presidency, with his all-time low of 35 percent in August 1968.

    For much of the 20th century, Texans also held power positions in congressional and executive branch. Before Bush, Johnson and his father George H.W. Bush held the White House. Johnson and the elder Bush had also served as vice president and in Congress.

    Texans Sam Rayburn, Jim Wright and Dick Armey were majority leaders in the House, followed by Tom DeLay. At mid-century, some half a dozen committee chairmanships belonged to Texans, once a Democratic state, Jillson said.

    But with a redistricting plan orchestrated by Tom DeLay and the Democratic takeover in Congress, there is little seniority among the Texas congressional delegation. Only Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-El Paso, leads a committee.

    Bush brought numerous Texans with him when he arrived in 2001, but there has been a slow trickle away from the Beltway of many of the Texans who were his close advisers and members of his Cabinet and administration.

    Presidential politics expert Bruce Buchanan agrees Texas' power will significantly diminish as Bush exits. But he said the low approval ratings nationally for Bush should not be translated into the belief that Texas is out of play in national politics.

    Texans have always had influence in Washington. Long before Johnson made it to the White House, Edward M. House of Houston was serving as Woodrow Wilson's chief adviser, Buchanan said.

    "Texas is such a big state and urban state. It's not inconceivable someone could rise up in the near future with a message that resonates," he said.

    Even though Texans may not hold Washington's power positions they still will wield some influence, particularly as demographics change, said Texas state Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, D-San Antonio.

    Van de Putte was tapped to provide the Democratic response in Spanish to Bush's speech and will serve as a cochair of the Democratic National Convention.

    "I think there's a great opportunity for our state to have leadership that reflects our population and I think that's just on the horizon," she said.
     
  10. deepblue

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    The more I hear from McCain, the more I dislike him, how he keep lying on the stage and somehow still gets to keep his "straight talk, honest" image is beyond me.

    I'd rather stay home than to vote for this old fool.
     
  11. Smokey

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    My favorite McCain punch was after Romney said a real conservative would not be endorsed by the New York Times:

    I am supported by your two local newspapers, who know your record better than anyone else. One of which is the Boston Herald, a very conservative paper. They don't support you and trust me my friend my local paper the Arizona Republic will endorse me. Heh heh.
     
  12. jo mama

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    the cia agent, anderson "vanderbilt" cooper did an absolutely horrible job - he did not give equal time to huckabee or paul, cut off ron paul a few times and let those douchebags mccain and romney go on and on - he would try to cut them off like he did paul and they would keep talking and he would let them. he let them stray off topic, but if paul tried he got cut off. it was the most biased, pathetic and childish debate we have had yet.

    the back and forth b/t mccain and romney about whether or not romney said he supported the surge was embarrassing and i cant believe anderson vanderbilt let it go on that long. ron paul was right on the money with his comments about the spat - it was childish and had nothing to do with any real issues.

    i dont know who is worse - romney or mccain - god help this country if our options are one of those two douchebags or hillariod.
     
  13. ROXRAN

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    jo mama, it will be alright...If the unthinkable happens, we can go to the target range and shoot the gun if you like...I got a new AR15 with 1:7 inch twist govt. profile barrel and a tritium front sight...Great at shooting those 77 grain bullets that are being used effectively long range...
     
  14. jo mama

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    you have a very small penis, dont you? :D
     
  15. pippendagimp

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    he just doesn't find ron paul as attractive mitt, john, n huck....not that there's anything wrong with that ;)
     
  16. Desert Scar

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    I'd say I agree with maybe 40% of what Ron Paul does, but he had me actually cheering at a debate. The 1st time I ever remember doing that and the 1st strait talk I have heard from any candidate about the war and broader foreign policy. I would consider voting for him as a 3rd party guy, particularly if Hillary keeps on rolling and her team pulls any more bushleague stuff on Obama.

    I agree McCain versus Hillary in a debate would be very risky for McCain. He will have to really control a lot of his instincts IMO.
     
  17. mc mark

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    issues?

    they're talking issues?

    :cool:
     
  18. Achilleus

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    Wolf Blitzer is an idiot. Pat O'brien would be more credible...
     
  19. Ubiquitin

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    Clinton's cackle is messed up. She should not laugh as much.
     
  20. AB

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    where was the debate ?
    I was waiting and credits rolled. It just looked like an interview :)
     

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