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CNN: N Korea fires at S Korea, injuring 6 soldiers!

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  1. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    You sure have a boner for North Korea. You know, because their shinning human rights records, almost a million dying in famine while a cult of personality totalitarian regime funnels all resources into personal wealth and military endeavors while becoming the most isolated country in the world.
     
  2. rage

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    I am against China for doing that but it is not a good idea for Taiwan to fire at them either.
    You also have to remember the US and Taiwan do the same.

    Of course if both sides want a fight, then heck, go for it. Just don't go around point fingers at the other guy when both sides are equally stupid.
     
  3. rage

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    You need to read more.
     
  4. Ubiquitin

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    You need to eat more.
     
  5. rage

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    Wow, that was smart. How long did it take for you to come up with that?
     
  6. Joshfast

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    It must hurt to be so proud and so defensive of a turd like NK.

    I'll just repeat until you refute something.

    You sure have a boner for North Korea. (obviously) You know, because their shinning human rights records, almost a million dying in famine (sorry 900,000+) while a cult of personality totalitarian regime (Kim Jong, please refute if inaccurate) funnels all resources into personal wealth and military endeavors (is he the only one that has electricity and food in the country?) while becoming the most isolated country in the world. (it's everyone else's fault!)
     
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    I asked you to read more because you apparently had not read or understood what I wrote.

    Let me spell it out again, it's true that the N Korea government is one of the worst in the world, yet you don't go provoking it and then cry about it when it shot at you.

    So there is this mad dog, you go near it and tease it. It bites you and you jump up and down and cry, hey everyone that dog is mad! Is that the smart thing to do?
     
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    That makes sense, I was off with what you were getting at. Apologies ;)
     
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    Palin on Glenn Beck's radio show this morning

    CO-HOST: How would you handle a situation like the one that just developed in North Korea? [...]

    PALIN: But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies. We’re bound to by treaty –

    CO-HOST: South Korean.

    PALIN: Eh, Yeah. And we’re also bound by prudence to stand with our South Korean allies, yes.
     
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    that's pretty funny (scary?/typical?) mark. But what kind of masochist looks at a situation like that unfolding in Korea and asks: Now what would Sarah Palin do?
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    When I was a little child and my dad answered "yes" to my question "daddy, can I be whatever I want to be when I grow up, even presdient?" I did not know he was serious.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    BTW, Glenn Beck and co. fans, this is who they think is deserving of running our military and economy
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    What is even more funny is if you hear the audio, the fox news interviewers roll with as if nothing happened... "did she just say that.... just roll with it and pretend it never happened." This prooves that these guys have an agenda and it isn't reporting the news... any sane news reporter or commenator would of ripped her a new one.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Here's an article about how the PRC might be viewing things.

    http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/24/5521004-chinas-diplomatic-balance-

    China's diplomatic balance

    By Adrienne Mong

    In a statement released tonight over Tuesday’s skirmish between North and South Korea, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said, “China pays great attention to the event. We feel grieved and regretful about the casualties and property losses, and feel worried about its development.”

    A muted response, especially in stark contrast to Washington’s condemnation, but analysts here say Beijing’s concerns should not be underestimated.
    Maintaining peace and stability in the region – as clichéd or obvious as it might sound – is paramount to the Chinese central government.

    “The two pillars which supported China’s political and economic transformation of the three decades over the past has been maintaining stability at home and keeping peace in the world,” said Victor Gao, an international relations expert based in Beijing. “Therefore China has a deep abhorrence to any destabilizing act by any country in this part of the world.”

    And news that the U.S. and South Korea will hold another round of joint military and naval exercises is especially alarming for Beijing, according to Chinese political analysts. “The more such exercises there are, the more probably you will create tensions and maybe one side like North Korea will overreact,” said Gao.

    China can't read Pyongyang's tea leaves either
    Just as Beijing’s concerns shouldn’t be underestimated, nor should its ability to rein in Pyongyang be overestimated.
    As North Korea’s staunchest ally and main economic supporter, China is widely regarded as the only power able to keep its smaller neighbor in check.

    “North Korea is very independent. It has its own way of doing things and it has its own perception of risks and threats, which may be very different from China’s,” said Gao.

    “China can’t restrain North Korea for the same reason the U.S. can’t control Israel, for example,” argued Professor Yan Xuetong, an international security expert at Tsinghua University. “North Korea and Israel can make military decisions that are beyond the control of China or the U.S.”

    The best solution as far as Beijing is concerned, according to most analysts, is to work diplomatically within the six-party framework – a solution Washington finds untenable.

    Regardless, there is one area in which both China and the U.S. seem to be in agreement.

    Analysts in Beijing admit that what’s happening in their northern neighbor remains a mystery to the Chinese just as it does to everyone else.

    “I don’t think [North Korea] is even very transparent to China,” said Gao
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T1

    S. Korea names new defense minister amid war rhetoric from the North

    By the CNN Wire Staff
    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    NEW: South Korea names new defense minister nominee
    North Korea apparently targeted key sites on Yeonpyeong Island, a South Korean lawmaker says
    A joint military drill is a "reckless plan" by "trigger-happy elements," the North says
    Exercise is set to start Sunday in the Yellow Sea
    Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- South Korea named a new defense minister Friday to replace the official who resigned Thursday amid heavy criticism due to North Korea's sinking of a warship in March and Tuesday's deadly shelling of an inhabited island.

    South Korea's government nominated Kim Kwan Jin as defense minister, a Blue House media official told CNN.

    The National Assembly will hold a confirmation hearing before Kim formally takes office.

    Former Defense Minister Kim Tae-young, a former general, resigned after coming under heavy criticism for the sinking of the South Korean war ship Cheonan and again after North Korea struck Yeonpyeong Island on Tuesday.

    The appointment comes amid continued war rhetoric from North Korea, which said Friday that South Korea and the United States are recklessly pushing the Korean peninsula toward war by scheduling a joint military drill for this weekend.

    "The situation on the Korean peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war due to the reckless plan of those trigger-happy elements to stage again the war exercises targeted against [North Korea] in wake of the grave military provocation they perpetrated against the territorial waters of [the North Korean] side in the West Sea," said the North's official KCNA news agency.

    The West Sea is the part of the Yellow Sea that's closest to the Koreas, and it was the scene of Tuesday's shelling of a South Korean island by North Korea. The attack on Yeonpyeong Island killed four South Koreans and injured 15 others.

    North Korea said the South provoked the attack because shells from a South Korean military drill landed in the North's waters. South Korea was holding its annual Hoguk military drill when the North started its shelling.

    "The army and people of [North Korea] are now greatly enraged at the provocation of the puppet group, while getting fully ready to give a shower of dreadful fire and blow up the bulwark of the enemies if they dare to encroach again upon [North Korea's] dignity and sovereignty even in the least," KCNA said Friday.

    "The group should not run amuck, clearly understanding the will and mettle of the highly alerted army and people of [North Korea] to wipe out the enemies."

    The United States has condemned the attack on Yeonpyeong Island and affirmed its military commitments to South Korea.

    South Korean and U.S. forces plan to drill in the Yellow Sea from Sunday until Wednesday. The U.S. is sending the aircraft carrier USS George Washington to the drill, which is being billed as defensive in nature. The exercises were planned months ago, but are meant to underscore strong ties between South Korea and the United States, defense officials from both countries have said.

    On Friday, the sound of gunfire from suspected military exercises could be heard coming from North Korea, South Korean defense officials said. The gunfire did not appear to be aimed at Yeonpyeong Island, which is just off the coast of North Korea, though South Koreans on the island heard approximately 20 shots.

    The island has been almost entirely evacuated of its population of about 1,300. About 30 residents were left, South Korea's Yonhap news agency said. Most residents had fled to the South Korean mainland. About 100 soldiers and workers also were on the island, doing cleanup and repairs.

    The North appeared to have carefully targeted Tuesday's attack, a key South Korean lawmaker said Friday after a visit to Yeonpyeong Island.

    "My hunch is that North Korea was picking and choosing its aiming point. They are very focused. They attacked gas station, helicopter pad and command and control sites and water tanks. Everything that is directly related to military operations, they have completely smashed," said South Korean Congresswoman Song Young-sun, an influential member of the National Assembly's Defense Committee.

    Asked why North Korea might have attacked, she said: "I think they are doing this training for dual purposes. One is for South Korea: They are arbitrarily suggesting the different maritime border line from our Northern Limit Line. They are trying to verify what they demand, so they are doing exercises and training."

    The expected forthcoming succession of North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il by his youngest son, Kim Jong Un, also plays into it, Song said.

    "What Kim Jong Un wants to demonstrate is his influence and his exertion of power, because he needs in a very speedy time to prove within the next couple of years that he is strong and qualified to succeed," she said.

    The South has scrambled as a result of Tuesday's shelling.

    Kim Tae-young had submitted his resignation May 1, after the Cheonan sinking, but it was not accepted until Thursday because of the Cheonan aftermath and other military-related issues, the administration of President Lee Myung-bak said.

    The Cheonan sinking sparked a public uproar, with many saying that it should not have been possible for North Korea to have damaged South Korea's military, which is much more high-tech.

    Lee also drew criticism for his first statements after the Yeonpyeong bombardment, in which he asked for a stern response but added that de-escalatory measures also had to be taken. Later that same day, Lee spoke to the military and urged heavy retaliation.

    On Friday, South Korea's Yonhap news service said that the country was expected to increase defense spending. Citing government officials, Yonhap said approximately 1.4 trillion won ($1.23 billion) has already been earmarked to buy weapons such as K-9 self-propelled howitzers and F-15K fighter jets next year.

    South Korea used K-9 howitzers in response to North Korea's shelling and has deployed F-15Ks to Yeonpyeong Island. Some of the howitzers were damaged in the attack.

    South Korea said Thursday it will strengthen and supplement its rules of engagement in the Yellow Sea. South Korean marine forces based in five islands near North Korea and the disputed Northern Limit Line also will be reinforced, a government spokesman said.

    The tense maritime border between the two Koreas has become the major military flash point on the Korean peninsula in recent years.

    The Yeonpyeong attack was the first direct artillery assault on South Korea since the Korean War ended in 1953.
     
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