Well there still are a bunch of unanswered questions. And can anyone explain why pretty much everything the VP's office and administration said before the "interview" was contradicted by Cheney? White house, "It was all Whittington's fault" Cheney, "It was all my fault" Police, "No alcohol was involved" Cheney "I had a beer" And Cheney was never asked the money question. "Why did you not let the police interview until 18 hours later?"
I heard a report this morning which said that Whittington was partially to blame because he had flaunted some kind of hunting protocol and changed position without warning people. Obvioiusly Cheney is taking the blame for firing the gun. Lotta hatin' goin' on...
If there were an impartial trial: Judge: Well Dick . . after much consideration. . . and taking into account your overwhelming love of America. I conclude to sentence you to one year . . . . .tour of duty in Iraq. This way your American Loyaly and Patrioticness will be on display for the world. . . as well as your joy of playing with weapons. Yes Dick . . .. for this show. . you get a front row ticket. No hold up in a tent 100 miles away from the action. I need you to be in the middle of it. once that tour is done. . . you shall spend six months in Afganistan. We will allow you to have the same location of a True American Hero . . .Pat Tilman. Once you have completed your tours. The you can make you way back here in time to finish up your term of Vice Presidency. Good Luck . . and God Bless. *bang*bang*bang* Baliff: Everyone please rise
rimrocker even your excellent post doesn't fully capture the whole picture. For it to really be an equal scenario, Gore would have had to have two previous DUI convictions and a drivers liscence suspension on his record, before he shot a 78 year old man in the face while hunting after he had been drinking. Please halfbreed and the other bushbots come tell us how you wouldn't be screeching for Gore's head if all of these facts applied to Gore instead of Cheney.
Damage was done. He initially put the blame on the victim to see if that excuse would "stick." Owning up to "stops the bleeding" on the subject but his character has already been exposed. This admin has a HORRIBLE track record of being "compassionate conservatives." Just the opposite. Similar to the Snami when all countries gave gillions of $ but the US initially only gave like $30 mil ...way much less than other countries. After pressured, we gave additional $. Similar to W's lack of response with Katrina when we refused to visit. After pressured, only then did he go visit. When it comes to human tragedies, why is this administration so non-challant about everything. Do they really need to be TOLD was is the right thing. It would be nice if they would just step up to the plate once.
What you call "hating", others call "common sense" Take a look at this graphic from the Houston Chronicle article this morning: Cheney whirled to his right and fired. Just about one of the stupidest rookie mistakes you could make on a quail hunting trip. Good to see that Cheney is taking the blame and apologizing, however, this is only one apology for many mistakes in judgement and action that this ridiculous demagogue has made over the last 6 years.
This statement applies not to just this, but any of the issues discussed in this forum. texx/tj and their disciples would be all over a democratic administration if the positions were reversed...you, I and they know this to be true. Those of us who for the most part remain silent around here see things very clearly wrt who is ignoring facts and spinning like they are on dixiecups when defending the inevitable screwups and falsifications of politicians. The only difference is which party they belong to. Demo, repub....it dont matter....they all suck and they all are dishonest...the only thing that decides wether you roast them or not is party loyalty. and that sucks most of all
that was a weak interview. Cheney's quote "you can't blame anyone but myself" well no kidding. Gee, who woulda thunk to blame anyone else other than the guy who was stupid enough to pull the trigger??
I also got a kick out of Cheney's "It was the worse day of my life!" Call me crazy but, getting shot in the face might be a little more sucky Dick.
Notice how he never said WHY exactly it was the worst day of his life. Was it because he felt remorse for shooting someone, or that it would mess up his political stuff?
*sigh* I really give up. It's funny that you should mention the "if a Democrat did this" argument because I seem to recall a few years back Ms. Clinton's convoy rolling through a checkpoint and injuring a police officer. I don't seem to recall a huge fuss being made over that. Not once did Clinton take responsibility (or stop to help the officer). Giff - Call me a bushbot if you want, I'm sure it makes you sleep better at night. I'm far from it, however. R2K - I'm not a texxx/t_j disciple. You mentioned that we'd be all over it if it were a Democrat. Why? I really don't understand why. What I do see is that the same type of people that defended Bill "definition of is" Clinton when he bold faced lied about his actions and then admitted later to them are now upset that someone in the administration took responsibility for his actions. He shot his friend and that's something he'll have to live with. Listen, I have nothing but respect for everyone in here. I've tried to keep things civil when I can but some of you just seem to be as bad as those on my side of the fence that you bash at every chance. I think it's telling that in a thread about Dick Cheney's accident we have someone bring up the Tsunami and Katrina. You guys aren't upset about just this issue, it's just the cause of the day and the excuse to bash the administration. If not bashing everything Bush does makes me a Bush-Bot then, so be it. Really though, where's the respect from the other side of the fence for those of us who have simple disagreements with you? It used to exist on this forum, I promise.
was she behind the wheel?? reporting that you shot someone right in the head/chest area a day after and apologizing another day after is IMO not very sincere..
So a car is the same as a gun. That sounds just like the NRA line. You joined in 2003. The Clinton thing happened way before that. How do you know that the people attacking Cheney were defending Clinton back then? You're just making generalizations but "I'm sure it makes you sleep better at night." You have noone to blame but the idiot in the White House for creating the kind of envioronment where small criticisms or arguments are classified as "attacks" and made prsonal when they otherwise wouldn't have been.
Apologies if this was already posted. Just seemed appropriate for this thread http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-21-goose-cheney_x.htm
Does anyone really think this was anything more than a genuine accident? THe victim seems to be less outraged than most of the columnists. The delay, and spinning, is of course, more concerning. But it's really just a function of the way the man is. He doesn't hold press conferences, except in 'friendly' venues, he's a diciple of the 'shut up and trust us' style of governance, and has lived the priviledged and protected life since before he was getting deferments for Vietnam. I despise the man. But I fail to see this as anything more than material for a couple of late night monologues.
They spent $75 million dollars investigating oral sex between two CONSENTING adults. I don't see why they can't spend some of that investigating a SHOTGUN SHOOTING. The VP is afterall the second most powerful guy in the White House (in theory. We all know who pulls the strings in this administration) BTW, the victim is in intensive care. How would you know how outraged he is?
Well...if this is payback for Clinton..then I guess it's ok. And the victim was in good spirits and wondering what all the fuss was about ---- according to Faux News
Honestly, If they are gonna spend some money investigating something....this isnt it. There have been far worse misdeeds in washington than a hunting accident. Well...honestly...you werent in my thought process when I said that, so dont take it personally...unless of course the shoe fits My contention that the republican apologists would be tearing up a democrat for the same actions that the republican administration is accused of over the last 5 years still remains valid. After reading a few threads in here, and seeing the lack of courtesy or any real desire for honest discussion coming from the right side of the aisle...it disturbed me anough to where I felt like commenting. I am not a democrat...nor am I a republican...Im one of those people that the two sides need to be convincing...my beliefs fall on either side of the middle depending on which one you ask me about, and I am very capable of logical and rational thought unfettered by a political viewpoint...so I consider myself a fairly impartial observer in this forum....what disturbs me most is that as hard as I see the guys on the left tryin to have a debate with those on the right...they never seem to get anywhere cause there are very few on the right that will HONESTLY try to discuss it...the prevailing attitude seems to be follwing in TJ and texx's MO of discussion...blame and obsfucate anything that doesnt jibe with what the administration or their pundits say. It confuses me...why in the world would some trust people who historically have shown themselves to be untrustworthy(all politicians for the most part) what is wrong with applying logic and reason to dissecting the actions of the men we trust to protect this country and her way of life? WHen have these men shown us that they are worthy of our trust? as someone not intwined in the political scene...I can see this...are the politicbots willfully blind or just dishonest? note: I may have posted it in this thread...but you know what? It was offtopic. I think it was stupid and suspicious to not come clean ASAP about it(the shooting)...but in the end, it was just a hunting accident. Im not a big believer in conspiracy theories, so I doubt seriously that there is any ulterior motive in delaying the news other than stupidity.
I wasnt suggesting that they investigate. Just pointing out the stupidity of the Ken Starr p*rn Report.
and I fullly agree with that stupidity...I Still dont believe the repubs spent so much damn taxpayer money to investigate stuff that never amounted to anything. The two biggest crimes CLinton was guilty of... Bad taste in sexual partners Not having the balls to admit it.
