[ClutchFans] This is everything I've heard on trades...

i believe yao is the main part of rox good FG% defense.

 

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-38-177/The-NBA-Story-No-One-s-Talking-About.html

The Kings trade Doc Rocket hinted(?) at could have legs.

 

I agree. Players performance can be up and down also. Many thought shaq is going downward forever until this year. Elton brand and Baron Davis's number are terrible this year compared to their past. Joe Johnson is a very good player when leaving Phoenix, but who would have thought he raised his level again at later stage of the career?

Yao's never got rest for his entire career, and has to push himself ahead of the recovery schedule for the Olympics. Right now he's far from 100% and is just catching up. I'd say he's very athletic when he's rested and heathy. With less national team commitment this coming summers, yao can show the world what his real potential is in the next few years.

 

Yup.

I'm not a fan of Amare as a Rocket for several reasons, his defense not actually being one of those reasons. He's not shabby as a help defender. I think our rotation would be good with Amare, Yao, and Scola handling the minutes at PF/C.
-I don't like the thought of another giant ego demanding the ball instead of blending with the team concept.
-Amare dominates when he's playing center and often struggles when playing next to a traditional center. We'll get good use of him when Yao sits, but this is going to give us a split identity and isn't the kind of situation you want (stars having to take turns rather than meshing)

I'm less concerned about the health of his knees, but that is something to bear in mind.

Evan

 

Would love to see clutchfans get a mobile alert set up so that the second a trade goes down, an alert could be sent to my phone. I'm wearing my F5 key out.

 

this is nitpicking but, joe johnson doesn't support your argument very well; he's 27. he was also pretty much just as good as he is now with phoenix.

 

It's either VC or Miller.

Stoudamire won't fit.

 

BIBBY

 

i think mike miller would be a good fit...I don't think we would have to give up as much of course to get him as we would to get Amare.....i can't wait till all the deals start pouring in over the wire..but i'm nervous to see our moves
Friday against the mavs could be our first look at the new and revamped rockets

 

I wont argue with you there.

I will add to my statement that if all the right peices are in place where you can win an NBA championship with Yao then I certainly would be willing to overpay to keep a championship contending team together. I would just hate to cripple our chances just to keep one player.

 

I would love it if we could just get a legit shot blocker that can run like a camby or tyrus thomas or chandler. Thats all we need I think because we have the offense we just need some to stop these guys from taking the ball to the basket with ease. I hope we don't give up artest for another scorer like Vince or miller

 

Some of ya'all debating Amare's D are seriously looking through the wrong end of the telescope. Remember the D the Nuggets played? One older player (Billups) changed all of that instantly upon arrival. Suddenly, the Nuggets are among the better defensive teams in the NBA.

Would anyone here have thought defense and Melo, KMart, JR Smith or Linas Kleiza would be mentioned in a sentence which excluded the phrase "lack of"?

I doubt the Rox have the chips to pull it off, but Amare is the perfect defender to place next to Yao or Deke.

My gripe with a lot of you is you have gotten so used to Battier's cerebral but concrete-footed approach you can't think outside of the box.

UPDATE: Thanks to those clarifying that SAC can not take Artest back. So I guess you incorporate a 3rd team.

 

If the Rockets can get Amare without trading Yao, you do it. The whole "we're good enough at power forward" argument only works if McGrady and Artest are playing much, much better and I don't see that happening. Having a power forward that hit outside jumpers consistently would make the Rockets lethal. It's easier to find people like Landry and Brooks than explosive players like Amare.

 

I have no idea what Hakeem you are talking about.

85-86 Hakeems second season the Rockets were the Western Conference Champs and played in the NBA Championship.

Hakeem got past the first round of the play offs 3 times during his first ten years. Add to that that Hakeem was arguably the best player in the NBA during most of that span. On top of being one of the true offensive forces in the league he was also a league leader in rebounding, league leader in shot blocking and multiple Defensive Player of the Year...all prior to him ever winning a championship. Hakeem had a lot more skins on the wall than Yao Ming does prior to winning his first Championship. There really was no weakness in Hakeems game where as Yao has weaknesses that he will never be able to overcome (his tremendous lack of athleticism).

Well, Im gonna give it to you because its a fact. Play off success. If you don't have play off success how can you ever challange for a national championship. Feel free to turn your nose up at it but winning the Western Conference Championship and getting into the second round of the play offs is real measurable success.

You statement here is so true. I agree 100% and sense you brought it up why would you want to hand cuff the Rockets by overpaying for one player who can not lead a team by him self.

Finally let me add that comparing Yao to Hakeem or Jordan is every bit as bad as comparing Shawn Bradley to Yao Ming. Both Jordan and Dream had very complete games and were seen as the elite of the elite both offensively and defensively. Yao is a very good offensive player in a half court game only...nothing else. He has no transition game. He has mediocre defense that is non existant in transition and is an average rebounder at best. I challange you to prove that last statement wrong.

 

Thank you for pointing that out about the Nuggets. Amare has great athletisism and could be a great weak side defender.

 

I don't think Battier is all that great.

I also recall Nuggets4 or whatever his handle is constantly talking about how KMart, Keiza, and KMart were all good defenders and that Camby was the cancer to their team defense.

I know this helps nothing.

 

Wouldn't Yao Ming be exactly the perfect type of ego that would blend well with Amare? Yao Ming the ultamate most unselfish player in the league? I don't think for a second that Yao Ming cares who scores the points so long as the Rockets win. He has the perfect ego to bend with Amare.

 

Yao's defense in the paint is underrated. He can change shots simply because he's so damned tall.

Also, nobody who averages 10 rebounds a game in the NBA is an average rebounder. Yao's very good, although again that's largely due to his height.

 

Steve Nash was unselfish and is a better passer than Rafer.
Look how happy Amare is with him.

I'm worried about Amare being just another product of D'Antoni and Nash.

Look at Shawn Marion and Quentin Richardson, but guys stink without D'Antoni and Nash.

 

http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2009/02/the_mcgrady_question_and_a_roc.html

Do you think the Rockets are attempting to make a trade with the Kings for Miller and Salmons? Thank you for your time.

(Not for Miller. He'd bring a giant contract for a guy that would be a backup center. Salmons would be interesting, but the Kings would only do it for an expiring contract or better prospect and neither seems a match with the Rockets' options. -- Jonathan)