[ClutchFans] This is everything I've heard on trades...

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Fritz's twitter has this to say "Just fyi: Rockets and T-Mac still awaiting word on second opinions. Course of action will be decided upon pending results."

 

not really. amare doesn't like d. i hate to see yao leaves his man to defend a penetrator but no one rotate to box out the opponent centers. do you trust amare is willing to do it?

 

Yeah I edited my post after he responded back.. just talking about the marketing insider not actual insiders

 

Damn, the suspense is out of control.

 

yao is a defensive liability in many ways. zero transition defense. he simply can not guard perimeter players. he has way too many problems against the lesser talented but more athletic centers in the game. when he is able to establish defensive position in the post he is a good man to man defender. his defensive rotations however, are so slow that his help defense sucks and almost always serves to get him out of position to the point that he simply can not recover for that possession.

i trust that amare has the athleticesim to defend many players in many scenarios that yao simply has no chance to defend. having said that neither amare nor yao will ever be confused for hakeem.

 

I'd be all for T-Mac & filler for Miller/Salmons/Udrih.

Pricey, but nothing overly harmful to us over the next few years. Miller would be a prime backup for Yao (unfortunately, slower). Udrih is a longshot to improve our play at the 1. Salmons is playing above himself this year, and I don't expect him to be more than a 15 ppg guy (who is sketchy from deep).....but these are all acceptable pieces to me (vs Marbury) in getting rid of McGrady. I don't think we're ever going to see the McGrady of 4 years ago again.

Evan

 

if over paying for one player ruins your teams chances at championship success do you do it anyway because some other team will?

You don't over pay for Yao Ming just because you could loose him. He has already proven that he is not capable of carrying a team on his back to play off success. So if one team is going to overpay for him you do not mortgage the success of your team just to keep Yao Ming in Houston.

Now if Yao Ming had Jordan like or Hakeem like talent then I would say hell yes you max him out. But unfortunately he does not have that type of talent.

 

That is true. It is also true that Amare shares McGrady's disdain for putting more than 10% effort on that end.

Evan

 

Losing Yao and getting nothing inreturn would set the franchise back years. If you have to overpay you do it

 

So basically your saying its like having 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other. Amare has the athlatisism to play the type of defense you want but not the desire. Yao has the desire but not the athleticism. Same result however we look at it.

 

Over paying to the extent you can not add peices and in some cases keep peices that would assist you in getting to a championship would set the franchise back as well.

 

It's a tough question. I don't think it's that easy to predict how far the Rockets can go with Yao.

But it is easy to predict that somebody's going to offer Yao a max contract. I'm pretty sure he'll be making max money, even if it's not in Houston.

 

So would I. Miller is already passed his prime but is a great paser and knows Adelman's offense, plus he can hit the outside shot and adds size to the bench. Udrih is a solid point and Salmons is a very underrated player. He is a good shooter and plays tough defense.

 

I'm always curious why people are so ready to close the book on what any player can and can't do in the middle of their careers. Hakeem didn't "carry the team to playoff success" until his 10th year, Jordan his 6th year. Up until then the same things were said about them that people say about Yao, or said about Garnett pre-last year, or etc, etc, etc.

(And don't give me the "won a playoff round" arguement - in the end what's the difference between losing in the first round or the second round - a little less failure?)

And it's not just basketball - i.e. Elway, Randy Johnson, etc. Haven't we figured out by now that it's never just about one player but also about the total package around them in terms of team talent, team cohesion, luck of the draw, and all kinds of other factors?

 

But Les has to spend the money somewhere. If not Yao, who do you think
we can get in 2010? Lebron? Wade? The rest of them are on the same
level of Yao or even worse.

 

hanbin wins....flawless victory.

 

That's just it...add and keep peices to what? You lose a player of Yao caliber without getting something in return the team is lottery-bound for the next 3 years atleast. You won't be keeping or adding peices to a championship team but rather a lottery-bound team.

You (slighty)overpay for Yao by giving him the max and hope you CAN add and keep those extra peices you are talking about.

 

you clearly have no clue how rox defense has been? rox is one of top FG % defense teams (except a last few games). the reason is their post defense. rox forced other teams to become a jump shooting teams. when you are a jump shooting team, your FG% will not look good.

i've trusted tmac to play d since he joined rox. he has all his tools to be a super defender but he hasn't become even close to be a good defender. if you want to trust amare become a super defender, good luck to you.

 

Not really, Salmons is actually somewhat of a Point guard. He can shoot the ball and drive and finish.

He will help this team more than Shane Battier. It's not like he can't play defense either. I just don't think the Kings will do that deal.