[ClutchFans] This is everything I've heard on trades...

No I'm not ok with catering to one who has yet to do or show anything this season. But like I said, and I'm sorta looking at it in the Rockets management eyes, the chemistry isnt great between them and nonetheless, the team. And who is the expiring? Artest. Don't worry, T-Mac will be gone around this same time next year if all goes according to plan. And the choice is very clear, a somewhat healthy productive Ron Artest over an aging, declining McGrady. But if you had to get rid of one of them right now, who? Artest, McGrady has nothing to show for. I see it both ways, why trade a productive player just because he and another play dont get along, and this player is a soon to be FA, we gotta get something for him. I see both ways, but I favor making a move, as to if we make and if it works out, that remains to be seen.

 

Les is a good owner
but
Loyalty has never been his strong suit

ask Cuttino

Rocket River

 

Well, Miller was a teammate of Battier's in Memphis and with T-Mac in Orlando. They both have always had a lot of positives to say about the guy. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean we'll get anything out of the guy defensively- but another shooter can't hurt.

 

it's a business. people seem to forget that.

 

I feel management is not looking to make trades to keep McGrady happy. They are doing it because they are uncertain if he can come back. They are tired of him but can't get rid of him.

 

unless it is TMAC on the chopping block . . .right?

Rocket River

 

When two of your three stars are mental midgets, you won't win playoff games. Look at the Spurs -- we all hate them, but they are team comprised of mature adults who play good team basketball. For chemistry purposes, we need more adults and less whiny babies. If we can get a star player for either TMac or Artest, then do it.

 

if tracy is traded and it helps the team, les should do it. just b/c he's my favorite player on the team doesn't mean he makes the team.

this is a business. les' loyalty is to the TEAM and produces a good product on the court. as long as he does that, i'm fine.

 

Um, what? By all accounts, no one is opposed to trading Tracy for loyalty reasons.

He's still around because you can't get anything for him this year and stand much more to gain trading him next year/letting him expire.

 

I am looking over the Trades

Yao + Amare + Battierishperson + Tmacishperson + Rafer
--- Brooks, Barry, Scola, Wafer

This crew does not inspire me to think of playoff greatness
If Battier and Tmac can play well to Decent. It could be intriguing
the inside play should be ok. with the outside being ok

Dunno what Mike Miller and VC would cost us beyond Artest

Yao - Scola - Miller - Tmac - Rafer
One word descibes this team . .. SOFT!!!

Rocket River

 

As long as they can get a second scorer at position 2-3 for Artest, I am fine with it. Without Tracy being what he used to be, there is no way we can go deep in the playoff without a second major scorer. I don't know if Mike Miller can be considered as a major scorer.

 

just messing with TMAC_1

Rocket River

 

Ron has won a playoff series already.

So by two of our three stars, do you mean tmac and yao?

 

No doubt about it.

 

the lakers were "soft" last year (or at least they admitted it themselves). their interior play was SOFT. their rebounding was SOFT. their physicality was non-existent.

people overrate softness/hardness or whatever that is. you have talent and you execute, you will win. it's as simple as that.

boston had the most balanced talent last yr, they won.
this year boston lost 2 of their key bench players, they're not as good as the lakers per se.

we'll see after the all-star break who stays and who goes and whatever is going on with tracy.

 

I'd say it's more slow and unathletic than soft.

 

i think so. tracy hasn't stepped up consistently in the 4th in the playoffs like we all wanted him to. and yao, well, allows okur to publicly say, "he's predictable."

 

In the last 2 minutes of the game
when we need A STOP . .or A REBOUND
who gets those?


I think if you OVER TALENT someone . . .that is one thing
that proposed line will not

Lakers OVERTALENTED their way to the Finals
then they lost to the HARDER team

Rocket River

 

boston had the more balanced talent last year through and through. lakers just had more flash because of kobe bryant. to me, boston was more talented last year.

every team needs talent obviously. and every team needs toughness.

we have tough players (rafer, shane, hayes, deke) that surrounded tracy and yao in the past. but they lacked a ton of talent.

you gotta have both. and JVG knew that. unfortunately, he surrounded the stars with too many "tough" guys lacking "talent."

 

My take on the trade talk...
Amare is not coming to Houston. There's nothing better we can offer Phoenix without gutting the team, and we finally have a GM who is smarter than that.

Vince Carter is a lateral move at best. Yes he's having a good year, but he has way more years behind him than ahead. Not a move for the future at all.

Mike Miller was never that great (ROY in a weak class), and it looks like he may already be on the downslide. At this point, he brings nothing to the table that would be better than what we would give up.

I don't know what goes on off court, so I can't really see the value in moving Artest for anyone but a solid point guard right now. So who (in the East most likely) has a point guard, has reason to trade and would take a chance on any of our motley crew? Raymond Felton and change perhaps? Andre Miller might also make sense. Hinrich? Marbury? The suspense is killin' me.

Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be something that no one here saw coming.