[ClutchFans] The trade that got away: Tyson Chandler

Correct. However,we wouldn't have gotten "stuck" with Brad Miller.

 

The OKC trade with NO was rescinded because Tyson had turf toe.

 

we were "stuck" with Kelvin Cato.

we were "stuck" with Matt Maloney

we were "stuck" with Maurice Taylor

we are not "stuck" with a contract that essentially goes two years and becomes a commodity in year three.

i'm tired of people blaming the our current state on
- the inability to make the big trade
- the inability to attract free agents
- the construction of a moneyball lineup

the reality is much more simple. most rockets fans (sans the Yao only contingent) new we would never be a winner until yao was gone. many of us actually pined for a yao trade for several years. however, there was no way Les would trade yao until it was obvious he'd milked the cow dry. (read that as - morey didn't have a choice. nor would have carrol dawson or steve patterson). we have been doomed to this day since we won the lottery years ago.

well, the cow is not only dry, but is now drawing flies and we are having to hit the reset button.

Chandler is what he is. A mediocre to good player depending upon quality of team surrounding him. On the Mav's he's a plus player. On the current construct of the Rockets he'd be what he was with the bulls - flashing quality but unable to solve the greater problem of the team. He's not breaking down a defender in the fourth. he's not making brooks take his head out of his ass. he's not making martin develop a one-on-one game. and he's not resurrecting the defense of shane battier.

he would - contribute a few addl wins to the current team.

he would - further reduce our draft position

he would - bring futher highlight to the fact that we lack a star player.

he would - eat up significant cap space in the offseason as we scramble to maintain relevancy.

 

Does that mean Rox are just one player away?

 

I know. Just think about it. You could have had both your BFFs on this team.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/bb/full...808c5/ap-e9179a1a9faf4fa080da03b0ff0c6155.jpg

 

I didn't mean to imply that he would have made us a contender. Yao's fragile health was always the factor. I felt he could fit in with Hayes,and helped us on interior defense. Your points are correct.

 

I like this post because it is well constructed and thought out. Perfect flow of reason for your conclusion. I happen to disagree but props to you on it.

Chandler would of made this team alot better (probably ~45 wins or so). That in itself isn't that great, but if in the eventuality that Morey does land that superstar player, even if just Carmelo for a rental, you have a sure fire contender.

 

Didn't this trade fall through because of something on the Toronto/Charlotte side of it and who was getting Beasley, etc.

While it kills me that this trade didn't happen, I don't think it was Morey's fault.

Now, failing to get him in a straight up deal might have been Morey's fault. But, the Mavs had Dampier's contract to offer Charlotte for cap relief which was much more than we could have offered with Jeffries.

 

Yeah, they wanted Martin and settled on butler and haywood. You dont think those 2 wouldve helped the rockets more than Martin? Butler is a 2 way play and have been part of winning teams and an all star. What does martin have to show for his effeciency?

Yep, caron is done this year and Haywood has a contract that averages 8m and they still got chandler. Know why? When or if chandler get in foul trouble against la, guess who is coming in? Another long,strong double double type of 7ft er in haywood. If he gets in foul trouble, guess who is next? Mahaimi, another long 7ft er. No 6'6 hayes or a rookie either. That doesnt mean they will win the title, but they spent the money and made the moves to put themselves in the position to beat La. Haywood could start and play well for the rockets and he's coming off the bench. Marion is a better player than shane and he's coming off the bench. Dont think just because Haywood has a good deal that they wont re-sign chandler for about the same money. Remember, this team once had 4 max contracts at the same time.

Also, dont be surprised to see Rip and Tayshaun in Dallas before the trade deadline either.

 

If Amare, then no K Martin.

But if we had landed the Stat and could resign him, it would have been huge, given how he is doing in NYK.

 

U sound like a Morey warrior

 

The funny thing is people on here didn't want Amare. They said he wasn't a franchise player and Scola was a better player. How terrible is that

 

Knicks would be 11th seed in the West right now.

 

You are correct. Always takes at least two parties to make a trade. Yet people want to blame Morey every time something isn't done...

 

YAWN... haven't really seen many huge, beneficial trades made by the Mavs that did not either cost them a great deal cap-wise or talent-wise...

 

They overpay for over the hill talent and Tyson is one of the few that has panned out. The difference is that Dirk is durable and performs to his max deal contract. Keep the knee-jerk machine rolling though.

 

You have no idea how good you have it.

 

1 more reason to hate the mavs even more

 

I agree. Cuban has spent a lot of money on players and yet they haven't made the finals since when?

Not that I wouldn't mind having a guy like Chandler on the team but people act like he's an all-star. The guy is averaging 10 point and 9 bounds a game and is being paid over $12 million a year. That's an all-star salary for a quality role player.

 

Interesting take on the situation. I am with you that the Yao/TMac era that never happened was a huge gamble from the onset. The Rockets drafted Yao instead of Amare. Both have been injured, but the key difference is that Yao exhibited more symptoms of Giantism than Amare thereby being the greater risk. The Chinese marketing connection was clearly the difference in the decision. I guess Les has profited, but the fans have suffered a series of chronic disappointments. TMac had a history of chronic back problems when he was in Orlando. The Rockets rolled the dice and lost.