[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

We have a starting PG, his name is James Harden.

 

Not what I said - most sites have him at 14 or 15 last year - just making a point about when people call him below average, they are not taking everything into account.

 

I know people that are past 40 thst uses the word hater all the times. So what does age have to do with anything. Lol

 

Well then they are physically old but more importantly mentally still a kid :grin:

 

I'll start with Tyson Chandler (playing well and trade rumors throughout the vast majority of his career). I have no idea about the guys I will list relationships with their coaches

 

Remii after the all star break wasn't Lin averaging around 17 points a game and dissing out 6-7 dimes. Yes Harden was balling out of control and playing on a Superstar level. But that's not the only reason why they were top 5 last season.

You could be right but Mchale always had dude on a tight leash.

 

So lol Bishop TD Jakes is a kid mentally for using that word during his sermon. Lol gotcha pimpn.

 

Tyson Chandler playing well throughout the vast majority of his career? Well, one thing is for sure. Looks like you did not follow his tenures in Chicago . He received more critics from Bull fans for being a scrub and wasting No2 draft than that Lin is receiving now from Rockets fan. He only started to realize his potential when he was traded to NO and played with Chris Paul. His career took a nose dive after he was traded to Chalotte. To his luck, his role as a defense achor was later defined by a very good coach Rick Carlisle. It was not until his 11th season (concidently during the amazing run of Linsanity) he fianlly won DOY award.

Next :grin:

 

Thats the organization up top. Coaching had nothing to do with that

 

If Bledsoe/Dragic can coexist, so can Harden/Lin

Same with the whole 2 bigs issue

 

BTW, I don't disagree with you on the part that Lin needs to man up. That's the only way he can continue to develop and regain his confidence. My argument is if the way the coaching staff are hanling him is appropriate and if there is a better way to make the best of his skillsets.

 

Nobody ever said that Harden/Lin can't coexist. It's just that their skills overlap way too much that results in one being redundant at times. Having Lin of them come off the bench was in an effort to allow Lin to run the team while Harden is out and also to spark the bench.

 

Unfortunately that was not happening for whatever reason.

 

Gogi plays well off the ball.

 

He was also a high school kid in Chicago who needed time to grow as a player. Fans criticism of him came a lot from the fact that they didn't realize he wasnt a guy that was going to do anything offensively outside of catching lobs and dishes for dunks. People read "high school phenom" and automatically assume the guy is going to be a star. Look at darius miles. Paul just put him on the map offensively because he's the best PG in the league. He did the same for DeAndre Jordan.

Shawn Marion

 

A lot of people on here did say that pimpn. McHale is not consistently using that method.

 

That was the official reason but that's not what's been happening.

Suns actually play better when Gogi handles the ball. And the way the Suns do it is they split the playmaking role 50/50. Dragic and Bledsoe literally take turns attacking the paint. Over the course of the game whoever has the hotter hand ends up doing more.

With the Rockets, playmaking is split 33/33/33 or 25/25/25/25 since everyone 1-4 is expected to attack the paint and either kickout or score. You wonder why Casspi is attacking the rim from the 3 point line, that's part of the system. You got Parsons who's pretty much a Point Forward at this point which is why the guy thinks he's a legitimate playmaker even though his court vision is mediocre. You got critical possession plays being run for him as ball handler while your guys with proven playmaking ability (Harden and Lin) are camping the arc. That's McHale's fault because he's treating everyone as interchangeable and nullifying peoples skillsets in the process

Rockets really do have a system problem on offense. You wonder why they haven't been able to break 100 points a game lately or are scoring 20-30 points within an entire half.

 

Reality with Lin is we don't really know what his relationship with the coaching staff is. Jeremy is a great guy and would never rock the boat but my guess is if there was a rift it would have leaked out by now. I'm not saying he doesn't have short leash (no question he does) but we aren't watching practices, shootarounds, ect...I watched lin take over two games in the 4th quarter after a bad start not too long ago (not sure which two but they were over the Christmas holidays) so I know if he plays aggressive he can finish games for us. I'd rather see a few more TO's and bad shooting nights then watch him stand around on the perimeter doing nothing. Attacking the basket is on him. That is his game.

 

Being constantly in trade rumors is the nature of being a role player, which is what Lin is. Some players can't handle it (Odom, Martin) and others can (Gasol, Chandler, Rafer). It is part of the business, though the coaching staff has a responsibility to try and incorporate Lin's skill set off the bench when Harden is not sitting as best as possible and I feel like we have largely failed there in that we do not stagger Lin and Harden enough. I also feel we do not run enough screens and double screens when Lin is on the court and Harden is off.

Here is what I would like to see after the ASB:

- Harden and Howard play no more than 35 minutes on "easier" games so we can save them for the playoffs (assuming we make it)
- Harden plays less minutes in general, so we can save him and let him focus on D as well (hopefully)
- More lineups involving Lin+Casspi+D-Mo with Howard+Jones+Parsons rotating in and out
- Double screens with Casspi screening on the perimeter and D-Mo from the elbow jumper

 

Harden plays major minutes. He's still in the game most of the time when Lin enters to replace Beverley. Plays continue to run through Harden making it difficult to actually be a spark off the bench.

If Lin gets consistently high minutes too, then there's going to be substantial overlap in their appearances together. I'm starting to understand the people who say the only real solution is to either give Lin a full green light to play PG, or let him go. He's the most mismanaged player on the team and his usage is either all or none (i.e., 40+ minutes when the team is in desperation mode, or 20 minutes when they're not).