[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

A good stretch doesn't make you a solid starter. Lin is wildly inconsistent and doesn't assert himself. He's not a starter on a good team. I'm not saying he couldn't start for a basement dweller but we aren't in that category

 

I agree with you. It does bother me that Lin doesn't get secondary ball handling. Kind of a waste of 8 mill

 

This is why I have been calling people stop naming-calling. When you call others by names, people tend to focus on the name-calling part and ignore your argument part.

I actually think tomato123's #1743 post does have some valid points. See my main argument in Post #1710, if Clutch's numbers are correct. Having Lin off bench actually makes Rockets worse overall. It simply can not have both ways.

I think most of us are all REAL Rockets fans and we all want the best for the Rockets. It is just some of us see things differently from you :grin:.

 

if you rewatched the games in the 2nd half of last season, you might change your mind. Inconsistent roles make inconsistent players. Not to mention that Lin has to deal with constant trade rumor, the lack of trust from his coaches, and injuries. I am making excuses for Lin. I am the one who is very critical to his performance this season. I have been calling him to toughen up all the time. But put yourself in his shoes. How do you expect him playing consistently?

 

It's a reflection of how bad the coaching staff (and the organization) is in general. They can't fully manage the talent that's currently here. Even if a legit 3rd superstar was added, this team probably still wouldn't win a championship with everything else being equal.

 

Whose fault is that? Perhaps it's Lin himself who does not have the confidence to hand the rock the way he is playing now. He is clearly playing passive. Bringing the ball up the court and then standing in the corner. This is even when Harden is ON the bench. An assertive PG would demand the ball and run the offense.

To me, it seems like Lin has no confidence in his game and is playing scared out there. FFS, he is paid the 3rd highest on this roster. Where is the alpha male in him?

 

This is the bottom line - anyone who can't see that is delusional and will have to enjoy watching some painful losing streaks this season.

 

Last year the Rockets had a top 5 backcourt because Harden was playing at a star level while Lin was putting up average #'s. That's probably what McHale saw. He probably didn't like what he saw out of Lin in the playoffs either... I think he made the decision that Bev would be the starter last year during the playoffs. But I agree with you, Lin was on fire at the beginning of this season.

 

Running a organization has to be waaaaaaaaay harder then we all think. but my idea would be to spend the money in a way that benefits a team. Why spend starter money on a one dimensional player who will sit on the bench in a PG market that is well fat with talent. I dont like spending max on harden but he is a elite offensive player (sometimes) and Howard is worth a max (granted he needs to do more PNR rather then post). Parsons will be worth about a mid contract (ie Lin's money). Jones will be worth a few mill (if he isn't replaced). Whatever money we have after Asik and Lin gone. As well as Parsons signing, we need to spend on straight 3 pt specialist. Those guys don't come cheap. Those guys wont brick open three-pointers (most of the time).

 

Yes, and our net rtg is only 1pt better than last year even with the small sample size this season - not good when you consider who we added - we were supposed to seriously build on what we had last year. Not so much so far.

 

AND the entire 2nd half of last season - one more time 17 and 8 people. He's the best PG we've got - use him or trade him.

 

I don't know who fault is that. But what I saw is:

When Harden took a rest after 1st quarter, Parsons was the one who's running the bench which I think he should take a rest at that time with Harden.

After 3rd quarter when Harden took a rest, Beverley handled the ball.

Even garbage time, Brooks was the one who handled the ball.

 

Hard to re-ignite the passion when you know no matter how bad Bev sucks (even when it's the 1st game that he came back from injury), you won't start/finish the game.

 

How bad the coaching staff and organization are? LMFAO

Without a single high lottery pick, in 3 years the organization cleared up the salary cap, added James Harden and Dwight Howard. Drafted Chandler Parsons in the 2nd round and got Terrence Jones in the middle of the 1st round. They found Beverly in Moscow. They identified and targeted Goran Dragic, Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola and Omer Asik.

 

Well. I will simply copy and paste what I posted a few posts before yours.

If you rewatched the games in the 2nd half of last season, you might change your mind. Inconsistent roles make inconsistent players. Not to mention that Lin has to deal with constant trade rumor, the lack of trust from his coaches, and injuries. I am not making excuses for Lin. I am the one who is very critical to his performance this season. I have been calling him to toughen up all the time. But put yourself in his shoes. How do you expect him playing consistently?

Remeber the Knicks game when Lin was very agressive and on fire in the 1st half. A few bad plays in the 3rd quarter. He was in the dog house and did not play the rest of the game. I can name a few more instance like this this season. What do you expect if the coaching staff treated you like this? Again, I am not making excuses for you. But it is the coach's job instilling confidence in his players not the other way around.

 

Fixed - still nice #'s for a first year starter. Last year there were only 5pg's rated ahead of him who had a similar usg rate. And only 3 PG's with a similar usg rate had more EWA's.

 

I watched the majority of the games and while I liked how he played during that run, he's reverted back to the same problems he had in the first half of the season. I just don't see a starter in Lin. I think he can be a good 6th man similar to Jamal Crawford but not a guy I want quarterbacking my offense. Despite being a smart guy his basketball IQ is rather low. He consistently jumps in the air with nowhere to go and is content with standing around and watching instead of attacking the rim. Lots of players have to deal with inconsistent coaching and trade rumors. He doesn't get a pass because of that. I'd love to put myself in his shoes. Making millions of dollars to play in the NBA. The bottom line is he has to man up. He had an ample opportunity to seize the starting job and didn't do it. That falls soley on his shoulders. It's not like Bev is some world beater. Like I said, we need a starting PG and it isn't on this roster.

 

So...Lin was the fourth/fifth best PG in the league last year by your metrics?

 

Of course, we should praise the efforts of the organization. They have done a wonderful job. But sometimes you got to know it is time to settle down and maintain countinity. Let's use an analogy here. It's like finding a marriage partner :grin:. You can search and look all you want when there is no right one. But the minute you think you find the right one (in the case of the Rockets, a group of core players), you have to stop looking and stick with it. The constant trade rumors with Asik, Lin and now Garcia are not helping.

I guess in the eyes of Rockets organization, Lin is not the right one and part of core players :grin:. Well. Nevertheless, looks like that the constant trade rumor and undefined roles do get into Lin recently.

 

NBA players are human beings as well. No matter how much they earn, they also have egos (probably bigger than most of us common folks), and they care and like to be appreciated and trusted. Now, pls. give me some examples that a player who was under constant trade rumors and did not have trust of the coach while playing well :grin:.