[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

It doesn't matter if its PB, AB, IC or whoever basketball player it is. When PB was out, McHale started almost putting AB in over Lin(remember that NY game). So it's not really anything with PB or Lin being good, it's more Harden's ego in having another ball dominating all star that is more popular, more humble, and can take the spotlight away from Harden. Harden would rather give it to PB in the last second and lose, than to give it to Lin in the last second and win. I understand Harden was definitely a facilitator getting 10+ assists and only like 12 fga but I'm just saying McHale is the one that really can't convey this concept to the team.

I'm not hating on Harden if this was Kobe or Durant or Anthony it's the same. They have huge egos and need to be the star of the show, it's nothing against them I mean even MJ had a huge ego and I'm all for it.
It's awesome that someone like Carmelo can go for 62 against the Bobcats, shoot like 38 shots, sure everyone else can't shoot but who cares its Melo's team and if they're going to be 12 place, at least let Melo pad his stats as a bottom feeder.

I'm just saying, if the Rockets "team" want to win a championship like Miami, your going to need to push your egos aside and let other "stars" take over ala Chris Bosh 1 night, Dwayne Wade 1 night, or hell even Norris Cole/Ray Allen. It's a whole team effort for clutch and letting other players that's hot that night win you the game should be better than having 1 player go all.

 

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Holy crap

 

The offense under MDA was gearing to him doing anything he wanted, and played to his strengths, massive amounts of PnR. If you watch him under MDA, he seems to get 'free' alot more easily. Furthermore, MDA after Lins breakout was NEVER going to bench Lin for making mistakes. Lin became MDA's pet the same way that some people here think Beverley is McHales.

That just isn't the case here, he isn't allowed that freedom (rightly so) and he seems to struggle finding a happy medium between aggression and recklessness where he has to play off the ball more.

Also, this is hilarious LOL

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The Numbers Are Clear - Lin should be our 4th quarter guy and Bev should ride the bench and NEVER close out games. Thanks to Clutch's stat crunching, we can see that 4th quarter performance isn't even close. Lin is clutch in the 4th and Bev isn't even fit to be serving gatorade. Lin is a solid +27.3 Net Rtg while Bev is a -9.7. In fact, Bev is negative in almost any lineup scenario in the 4th while Lin is mostly positive (and out of the few negative net ratings Lin has in the 4th, guess who is also in the lineup with him)? That's right- Mr. Beverley.

So Clutch must agree that Lin should be our 4th quarter guy with the starters.

http://stats.nba.com/teamLineups.ht...sortField=MIN&sortOrder=DES&filters=&Period=4

 

Thanks for putting the #'s to what I was saying. As you guys click on the link, note that the main comparison here are the 2 most used lineups in the 4th quarter at 48 and 46 minutes, with Bev's lineup at 46 minutes played and a -9.7 net rtg and Lin's lineup with 48 minutes and a +27.3. Most of the other lineups favor Lin as well, but the minutes played are way lower, so, sample size. The numbers are clear for the 4th quarter indeed.

 

btw, just to be clear, I endorse this post except for 1 small part - the Bev should NEVER close out games part. That's a bit extreme. Rest of post = A+

 

I believe that sb else, Clarinetmonster?, brought up the some point. Well some may argue it is due to small sample size. I guess people are likely to believe whatever he/she chooses to believe and uses stats. selectively to support his/her narratives. Sometimes, I just wish we could all let go our pride and recognize that sb else could be right sometimes :grin:

I do support having Lin finishing most games, especially when offense is needed like last night. To me, who starts doesn't make a difference. Both of them deserve to start :grin:. If the coaching staff likes PB's energy and chooses PB as starter, so be it. But to finish game, especially during tight-game situations, I would go with Lin if I were the coach of the Rockets.

 

Still about the same - +13 and +4 - a 9 differential. Check the 4th quarter lineup stats my man. Lin + 27 Bev - 9 . a 38 differential. Supports EVERYTHING I have been lobbying for - Bev starting and Lin ALWAYS finishing with significant minutes played in the 4th. Does that work for you?

 

It i the SAME sample size game-wise as the stats to support Bev starting - just per one quarter.

 

But the reasoning is bev brings an energy and intense defense aka swagger that others don't have. According to Mchale

 

I was just being an extremist and making a ridiculous over generalization like the folks that are so anti Lin. In reality, I love Bev and I've said that he brings a different intensity to the game that is well needed. But people are putting so much stock into these numbers Clutch came up with to show how great Bev is. So let's be equally as accepting of what the numbers clearly show us here- Lin is money in the 4th and Bev not so much.

 

This is in untrue statement...

Who plays the most in the 4th goes by the flow of the game, match up and how that player is playing...

So when D-Mo was hot in the 4th and was in a good flow, then he played and Howard sat. If Canaan comes in and gets hot or playing lock down D then he plays the 4th... You go with your hot hand.

T_Man

 

So who is the hotter hand btw. Lin and PB then?

 

I got ya - I know you're not an extremist.

 

So your saying these stats only work to say who should start? Because Bev is 3 for 20 in the last two games and Lin is 8 for 16. So I would say Lin has the hot hand right now and should start based on your thinking, right?

 

Not supported by stats that show overwhelmingly that Lin with starters is much much better in the 4th quarter.

 

Thanks. I'm a long time Clutchfans member but even Clutch wants to label me an LOF. Lol

I jumped outta my seat so many times to cheer Bev during the Portland game that the people behind me were annoyed (and I was wearing my Harden jersey, not my Lin jersey, so I wonder why if I'm such an LOF). Lol

But I would like to see people call it like it really is and all this Lin hate and biased treatment is ridiculous.

 

This whole thread made me laugh, seriously

Nothing's certain until we finish the season to have a good sample size and when both PBev and Lin are healthy

 

Now Lin with Bev (albeit a small sample size) lineups in the 4th have fared pretty well also, just not as well as without him. so I think the variable of how many minutes Bev plays in the 4th should be based on specific matchup/need.