[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

We will have to disagree. I don't think he is good, just above average.

 

Well said my friend. Really if Lin had Bev's mindset he could be scary. I think we saw a hint of that in NY and in his best games with the Rox. I've said repeatedly he needs a sports psychologist bad. I've never seen a pro athlete wear their up and down emotions on their sleeve quite so much. I'm a huge Lin fan but he annoys the living crap out of me when he plays tentatively. One REALLY simple thing he could learn from Bev (besides all out hustle and toughness) is to pass the freaking ball CRISPLY.

 

I think that is a much bigger issue than the starting lineup. It seems that the team has no idea what to do with him and because of that, he seems to have a different role every game and for a player like Lin who works best in a set system, we get games where he looks like a perennial all star and other games where we wonder how he's able to play professional basketball.

Regardless of how well Lin or Beverley plays after this I don't think there should be any more experimentation or roster changes barring injury. If Beverley is healthy, then he starts. I think it would be best for the team if they all could have a set role that they can develop into going into the playoffs, especially Lin.

 

Lins not a starting PG in this league to me. I compare him to every other starter in the west and only the lakers have a worse PG

 

Dwight Howard is a good not great player (thus far).

Lin is not a good, but borderline average NBA player. (No hate there)

 

I agree. He worries too much. Just play hard and play freely. But I do wish the coaching staff are more patient with him though.

 

With all due respect, what has this added anything new to larsv8's thread? It uses the same general approach (lineup performance comparison) and comes to the same general conclusion. larsv8's analysis also broke down each individual starter's numbers with Lin and with Bev, and adjusted to the opponent's strength.

 

Your constant antagonism is just as annoying as the over-the-top LOFs sometimes.

 

Agreed - I do think the net rating thing is still premature. Really the only way to do this well would be to have Bev and Lin start each for a whole season, but that won't happen. These #'s can be skewed by a couple blowout games easily at this point in the season. And as we see from last year, James Harden's net rating showed the team was better with him off the floor, so it's not the end all. That said, the team and the coaches have spoken so Lin just needs to re-embrace this role off the bench and play his butt off again.

 

I'll agree with staring Beverly IF he would take a shower sometime, every game he look like he NEVER take a shower or wash his hair.

 

Also, advanced stats from this site show that a couple of the best defensive lineups on this team both feature Lin (no Bev) and a couple of the worst lineups feature Bev with no Lin.

 

Come on Jeremy, please pull an Omer Asik! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!

Then fat boy can really have two "poisons" on his team. :grin:

 

This is so accurate it's scary. Calling it like it is. Why doesn't McHale bench Harden s punishment for not playing D? B/C he will ultimately lose his job for it. Everyone knows that Harden is calling the shots and that's why Harden's attitude about putting forth effort on defense or playing sticky ball hasn't changed. Bev is the best fit at PG for that and if we are cool with saying this team has to adapt to Harden Ball then we should also agree that everyone needs to shut their pie-hole about Dwight getting more touches. Harden should be jacking up double or triple the number of shots as Dwight. If it results in wins and a championship, then frankly I don't mind. But it won't (see Carmelo).

And while last nights game was a thrill (and yes, I was there and cheering loudly in my Harden jersey for Bev), we have to admit that was our best shooting performance all season and won't likely be repeated. Like I said in the game chat, if the Rockets play like that all season, keep Bev in as a starter and Lin on the bench. But if Bev starts missing shots again and can't keep his intensity level on super high (his energy last night was amazing)... then what?

 

Welcome to CF! YES, he can play 30+min and sustain his intensity. We've been watching him do it all year. Check out his DRtg and ORtg with the increase in minutes. Stats= good. Eyetest= bad.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beverpa01/gamelog/2014/#pgl_advanced::9
He's solar powered and does not tire out.

 

What a fantastic reading.
As a long time Rockets fan, I am also bothered by "ONLY" fans, who turn every posting into individual one. I was hoping the board members can stepped in and did more mediation. But right now I just see more heated arguments and trade talks through the media, also though the own fan site. It set a new high since Yao-only years.

Lin is a not a first tire star, he makes TOs and he is inconsistent, but he is gifted young man, play hard and play smart, I am worried that losing him is not only losing a very good piece, but also one more step away from right path of good basketball.
Let just forget those poison contracts for a moment, losing good player like Asik, Goran Gragic, Kevin Lowry has already started hurting Rockets,
if we cannot hold our talent pool, keeping believe in Morey's magical trade, we may probably losing these good chips(players). Now "team is not good enough and need 3rd star", we hear, I just hope someone can turn two good players in hands into another superstar, and hope the coming 3rd wheel can mix well with our blemished the first and the second in timely manner.
As for Lin, I don't really worry about his future, he can find his role in other team even after his NBA career. As for a Rocket,being treated unfairly or not is no issue, do someone really expect fairness in this business? Do you still remember Dream in Raptor's uniform?

 

This would be very interesting- can you show where you saw that or where we can find it?

 

Thanks - His #'s have come down a little this year so far - but what's interesting is his Ortg is higher than Lin but his Drtg is also higher (worse) - are these #'s skewed somehow?

 

I guess what I mean is - are those two stats lineup dependent?

 

Here ya go
http://www.spreadsheet-sports.com/t...ge-of-evaluating-net-rating-stats-in-the-nba/

 

Agree with the thread title, but it's about more than the numbers. We saw lin put up big numbers in garbage time in NY, all nba players can have those runs in the right opportunities.

It's about the qualities Lin doesn't have and Bev does. I hope he remains in the league but I hope Rockets can find something of value for him and Asik before the deadline. As far as Bev, he's a 2nd year player with no college experience. Has the intangibles - skills will come with time.