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[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Cypress

    Cypress Member

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    [​IMG] that ether.
     
  2. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

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    Can you point out where in the article did Clutch criticize or denounce Lin?
     
  3. Panda23

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    Further to this, i think his alot of his aggressiveness issues stem from the fact he doesn't know when to take over or assert himself with Harden on the floor. Its disappointing that they haven't developed better chemistry in that regard, but Lin has always looked a much better player when he has full control of the offence, the numbers are clear.

    I will say it seems he struggles to find a happy medium for his own play when he's on the floor with Harden. I think thats part of the reason why you see such inconsistencies on top of the fact that young players with limited NBA game experience are inherently more inconsistent, along with his major weaknesses being turnover prone/high dribble. It doesn't matter when another ball dominating player is out, because he's gonna play high minutes, and Lin can make up for the errors he made, because on the balance of probability he would when you get more rounds. He doesn't have that here, and he shouldn't.

    I like Lin as a scoring 6th man, he was fantastic at the start of the year before he had a couple of injuries, and we need his playmaking/scoring esp when Harden is off the floor.

    on that note;

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  4. Rip Van Rocket

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    McHale made the decision to start Beverley. He made the decision at some point before the season started, and it appears to be the correct decision. Considering that Jeremy Lin is hugely popular around the world, and gets paid 8 million dollars per year. I think McHale deserves some credit for recognizing what changes needed to be made, and then making those changes knowing it would be unpopular with a part of the Rockets fan base. McHale may be unpopular with many of the fans, but he has shown that he will do what he thinks is best for the team, and not be influenced by public opinion. I think he's handled the whole situation about as well as it could be handled.

    And just for the record. I like Lin as a player, and think he's played well this year. I would be perfectly happy if he remains with the team until the end of his contract. I really don't care who starts at PG, I'm happy to leave that decision up to the coach.
     
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    Thanks for the info. The best bet is to look at the Rockets public financials. I'll see if I can find any YOY changes.
     
  6. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Now that Clutch has laid down the law, can we all not focus so much on a bench role player like Lin and actually discuss other Rockets stuff. Amazing how a bench player dominates every thread.
     
  7. James Gabriel

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    Oh my sides.

    I guess if we follow a LOF's principle, then basketball is a game where there are only 5 players for each team and there is no such thing as substitutions. :p
     
  8. arjun

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    i dont know why anyone would argue against this? lol
     
  9. lfw

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    The focus will always be on Lin. Look at last night's game thread. :grin:
     
  10. Asian Playboy

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    ****ing Lin, trade him!
     
  11. Raven

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    If Lin is such a marketing bonanza, such a money maker for Les, then Morey would have owners lining up to trade for him, yet that apparently hasn't happened. I'm not convinced that Lin is such a huge generator of extra revenue that other teams will ignore his contract, nor would it surprise me if Morey is unable to trade him until the deadline next season, when his final year has been reduced to half a season's pay, even then the Rockets might have to sweeten the pot.
     
  12. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Wanna swap ignore list names? I have about 30. Maybe I've missed some?
     
  13. ThisVoice

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    Sooo... Mchale is a genius after all for recognizing PBev is the better fit??
     
  14. FTW Rockets FTW

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    For the umpteenth time for LOF, Clutch does not work for Rockets management as far as I know and does not have an agenda against Lin. He is not racist against Lin and does not hate Lin like a lot of you insinuate.

    His focus is what is best for the Rockets and Rockets only. Geez, how hard is it to get this?

    Lin is still an integral part of the team but not as a starter as that role clearly belongs to Beverley. Lin will still be needed to bring his best in his allotted time (25-28mins) and make the 2nd unit flow. He might also be required to close out certain games.
     
  15. HoopFan

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    I won't argue with Clutch's numbers as numbers do not lie. "Do those numbers directly support the argument PB deserves the start?" Maybe and maybe not.

    With the way how Lin, or PG of this team, has been used so far this season, yea, I agree that PB is a better "fit" and he should start. Lin has been playing quite poorly recently even by his own standard (he kind of lost his mojo). Maybe it is due to his recent injuries, maybe it is because of his undefined role and the system. Who knows. It could be even likely that he is not happy (I seldom saw him smile on court in the past a few games even after making good plays) and not assertive. We all saw the potential of a confident and assertive Lin can do. For young players, confidence can go a long way and it is crucial for their development. Let's hope Lin can regain his confidence. This is for his own sake and for the benefits of the Rockets comming playoffs. He is a grown man and he has to figure out himself.

    However, I have to say that the jury is still out if the current system works the best for the Rockets in a long term and during playoffs when the defense is tightened up and when the elite teams gear up their defense on JH and DH (WHERE the offense is going to come from). Considering the lack of play-callings and slow adjustment of the coaching staff, I am not overally optimustic.
     
  16. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Clutch crushed it. Nice work. It's about winning, the only agenda that matters.
     
  17. kwongadong

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    Yes. And I believe the team has the same winning percentage regardless of who starts at PG. So does either clearly "deserve" to start over another?
     
  18. rocketjunkie

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    Very clear numbers. One legitimate argument: sample size. I'd feel much differently is this were done after a year. Having said that, based on the numbers I have no issues with Beverley starting and Lin being 6th man. As I mentioned before, spending $9M (assuming Lin at $8M cap) for two starting quality point guards is not too cumbersome.
     
  19. munsteur

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    Can someone please link me to the source of the data?
     
  20. ctry2582

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    It really is. It's pretty sad that there are LOF AND LOH that clog up this post/board.
     

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