[ClutchFans] Rockets will seek Dwight Howard trade... again

The thing that confuses me is that why would Orlando even tell Dwight he was being traded to Houston if they had a deal they liked?

Why would they *want* to scare him into opting-in? What good does that do Orlando? If he wants out, you send him on his way. Spooking him into staying around one more year does you no good at all.

And it's pretty obvious he was not interested in playing with the Magic anymore since he basically shut it down shortly after the trade deadline.

The only option I can think of is that Orlando wanted to buy themselves more time for shopping Dwight, thinking that none of the offers they had were good enough... so they wanted to try their luck again the following offseason/trade deadline.

 

Now, trades can magically happen with only one GM making calls, decisions, etc? Never understood why THAT particular thing is a criticism. Life as a Houston sports fan, I guess. Reach toward something to be critical of.

 

Why did Dwight Howard opted (back in) with the Magic? I got the sense he did not want to come here.

 

Again, a lot of that was speculation. The Rockets could have released that information thinking it is something that Rockets fans wanted to hear as it puts the front office in a good light. Or, the Magic could have used the trade as a ploy to keep Howard grounded. As in-- if you don't like your current surroundings and pieces, how bout we ship you off to a place where the outlook is even more bleak if you don't cut the drama queen act?

 

Again, I don't think that Rockets fans should hang their hopes on something that is NOT going to happen. Do you actually think the Magic wanted to trade Howard? They've been trying desperately for the last 3 years to keep Howard in a Magic uniform. Not only is he one of the Top 5 players in the league, he also happens to be a HUGE marketing machine. Unless your name is LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, or Derrick Rose, there is NO business/marketing equivalent to Dwight Howard. He represents more than just a basketball player to the Magic organization and the city of Orlando and if you think for ONE SECOND that they would actually be dumb enough to field offers from the Rockets, think again. The supposed Rockets deal was athreat. If the Magic are going to part ways with Howard, you better believe they are going to get ALL 50 cents on the dollar that they can possibly get. Hypothetically speaking, if I'm Otis Smith, I'm on the damn phone with the Lakers and asking for BOTH Bynum AND Gasol and making them eat Hedo's contract.




Personally, I don't think the Rockets stand a chance at getting Dwight Howard. Looking at this from Orlando's perspective, there aren't any pieces that are appealing enough to start their own rebuilding process. For a player of Howard's caliber, the Magic are going to be seeking at the very least young talent with star potential, which sadly, the Rockets don't have. If they aren't able to trade for young talent with star potential (John Wall/Kyrie Irving/James Harden/Eric Gordon-caliber players), they'll be looking for a package surrounding established stars that are currently hitting their strides (think Josh Smith/Marc Gasol/LaMarcus Aldridge-caliber players) to go along with a plethora of draft picks (which is about the only thing we DO have). Everybody knows that the draft isn't an absolute medium for finding star talent, which is why the Magic will damn sure they land either a young star-caliber stud OR a established star as previously noted. Also, fans have to recognize that the NBA is a business first. None of those players that people are proposing we trade are going to put people in the seats. None.

While I do like the idea of Dwight Howard playing in a Rockets uniform, I think the chances of landing Howard are pretty much slim to none. The Rockets are better off prepping for this year's draft and not banking on this nonsense.

 

Dragic and Lee will not get the team any closer to a championship. Howard can. People b**** about mediocrity while whining about taking risks in getting superior talent. You can't have it both ways.

 

You answered your own question partially.

Then wanted to buy more time to convince Dwight to stay.

 

You both make good points, but regardless the Magic have to trade Howard this year or else he will leave and they have nothing in return. It would be nice to know the full details of this proposed trade that fell through.

 

You don't seem to understand.

The Lakers aren't trading for Howard without an extension.

Our deal is likely to be amongst the best because we don't require an extension, as was just reported in Clutch's article, if you bothered to read it.

You arent the Magic and you have zero idea what they are looking for nor what is available. The Magic can seek whatever they want, but none of the players you listed are going to be available.

If Magic management sits down and decides that they will move Howard if no extension is signed, they will move him for the best package available, period. And again, if you had bothered to read Clutch's article, we were in the mix.

How in the **** are they better ignoring a potential gold mine to prepare for drafting the next #14th pick. That is seriously the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

You explore every avenue, no matter how slim the possibility, to create a champion.

 

Save your energy. I've been through it with him before. (See this thread: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=218902&page=3)

He's formed his bizarre opinion and isn't ready to hear anything else.

 

This is just another reason why I believe that it was released by the organization to keep Rockets fans in their good graces. Everybody loves the guy that tried. It'd be better if we had the guy that actually succeeded.

Put yourself in the Magic's position for a second. If you were Otis Smith and you had to trade the basketball/business behemoth that is Dwight Howard, would you take anything on the Rockets roster (besides our picks which in no way guarantees that you will have a star in your hands) that is even the slightest bit appealing? If you even have to second guess yourself, the answer is NO. There is NOTHING on the Rockets roster that even helps in the slightest bit when it comes from a rebuilding standpoint, let alone a guy that would at the very least put people in the stands. If I'm not winning any ball games, at the very least I'm selling some tickets.

 

I wonder who the leak source is within the organization?

I'd much rather prefer we go under the radar getting a superstar than have every Tom, Dick and Harry know about it. Plus it drives up the price and takes away our advantage

 

No my friend. YOU are delusional.

Noticed I placed HYPOTHETICAL before I proposed that trade.

I never said any of the players on that list were available which is why i put a "-caliber" after the names. Also, how do you know that they AREN'T available? For Dwight Howard, I'm pretty sure A LOT of players will be made available...


"How in the **** are they better ignoring a potential gold mine to prepare for drafting the next #14th pick. That is seriously the stupidest thing I have ever heard."

No, this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. By the way, "stupidest" isn't a real word. You just answered your own damn question which is what I had already stated in my previous post. Key word- POTENTIAL. You don't trade Dwight Howard for POTENTIAL. You trade Howard for SUREFIRE talent PLUS POTENTIAL.


"You explore every avenue, no matter how slim the possibility, to create a champion."


You're damn right you explore every damn avenue from every possible angle to make a champion AND THIS GOES FOR THE MAGIC as well. You aren't looking at the trade from the perspective of the Magic. If the Rockets land ANY kind of deal with Howard, we just made off like BANDITS. If I'm the Magic, I'm not even fielding offers from the Rockets, because there is a ton more talent to be had elsewhere. That is FACT.

 

LOL

Tell me what "more" talent is available elsewhere.

Lets just pretend the Rockets offer Lowry, Montejounas, Morris, Patterson, Dalembert, #14, #16.

Can't wait to hear it.

 

all i'm saying is someone better look closely at this guy's back before we give up the farm. I'm not going through another T-Mac situation. Sounds like Dwight's already got the diva attitude; I don't want the back issues too.

Remember, T-Mac was plenty young when he came to Houston too, but he had been playing pro-ball since he was 18 and there was already a lot of tread missing from those tires. We need to do our due dilligence with Howard as there are similar paralells here.

 

OHMSS??? is this the 3rd or 4th transformation???

 

Let me ask you something. Where in Clutch's article did you pull those names from? Or did you pull those out of your ass because if you want me to pull a few trades out of my ass, I'll do just that. I understand the Rockets were "in talks", but there were also other teams in talks. If you want me to put together names for the sake of putting together names, I'll do just that,

None of those guys you proposed besides Lowry has established himself as a solid player in the NBA. You seem to have an overly-biased opinion in favor of our own players.

Montejounas, Morris, Patterson, 14th pick, 16th pick. Potential. That's all that is. There are no guarantees that you have anything else but that.

 

If I'm OKC, I'd offer Harden and Perkins for Dwight. That's much better than anything the Rockets could offer.

 

bumpity bump bump.

 

Hoping the decision that he opted in will benefit us and we can get him in the summer and we will have him as a year rental (if he won't sign) instead of a 2 month rental.