[ClutchFans] Rockets will seek Dwight Howard trade... again

Look, I'm not gonna get into a war of words with you. You are fairly entitled to your opinion on the matter and are free to believe whatever it is you want to believe. Enough of the hypotheticals, we shall see when the time comes what the Magic will do. It's great that you are optimistic about the rockets and are all for Howard, but all I'm suggesting is that you don't put all your hope in something that shrouded by so much speculation without any hard facts and details. The rockets were in talks. fact. Other teams were in talks. Fact. The rest is all speculation. the situations surrounding other teams is constantly changing and as fans we also should be aware of that. Other teams could jump into the picture this offseason and you can't rule that out based on your opinion of the matter which you have seemingly deemed as fact.

My money is on Howard staying in Orlando or going somewhere other than Houston.

 

What was on the table for Howard?
Lowry
Martin
Pat
Morris
And 2 picks?

 

Do you think Les would pay even a tiny tiny bit of luxury tax if he could get Dwight Howard?

Somehow I doubt it, but I hope I am wrong.

 

The only decent offer we can make is:
Lowry
donatas
pat
the 2 pics
Parsons

Martin and scola has a low value for orlando because they dont need PF and SG. They need another C so Nets, lakers and Grizzlies can make better offer than us.
Howard is NOT coming to Houston.
I hope morey has a B plan

 

I think StevieRebel and larsv8 did a good job explaining it.

As StevieRebel said, OKC isn't trading Ibaka, Harden, or Westbrook for a non extended Howard. And Howard isn't going to sign an extension with OKC.

I think you can insert half(probably more than half) of the NBA teams in there.

_[Team X]_ isn't trading _____, _____, and/or _____ for a non extended Howard. And Howard isn't going to sign an extension with _[Team X]_.

 

For what Rox have to give, the shot at retaining DH12 is worth the risk of a trade.

 

this....


*Face palm*

 

We know the Rockets and Warriors were willing to trade for Howard regardless of any initial commitment to remain with the team long term. The Nets have built there entire franchise trajectory towards Howard so they are still in the mix. Once the Lakers get trounced by OKC I'm sure all of L.A. will be out for blood so they remain a possibility.

I'd be interested to see if the Warriors really are committing to Bogut, or if they'd be willing to throw him in a possible rental scenario.

Howard remains skeptical of going to a New Jersey team void of everyone not named Deron Williams. On top of that, I do not know how enticing a soon-to-be expensive Brook Lopez, an expensive Kris Humphries (maybe?), and Marshon Brooks is to Orlando.

The Lakers remain the most logical landing spot. IF Howard is traded, my money remains on L.A. The Rockets may indeed be in 2nd place, or they may be in 4th. One thing is for certain: they are not in 1st. So much would have to go our way that it seems wildly unreasonable. But hey, it's the offseason. What else do we have to worry about?

 

Dallas wasn't likely to make a big move? They tanked their title-defense season, letting Chandler and Barea walk, just for an outside possibility at Deron and/or Dwight. I know that's not the point of your post, but worth noting.

In general, yes, I do know that more teams will be in the mix in the offseason. On the other hand, Dwight's back surgery also complicates the issue. That's a fairly significant injury that teams will need to account for without seeing him play a single game. Could very easily be enough to dissuade a team that's already a fringe contender from making the risk.

It's also worth noting that the Rockets will have a lot more flexibility themselves. They'll have two known picks this year to work with, in addition to freedom to deal Lowry (assuming Morey believes Goran will re-sign) that they didn't have at the deadline.

I think the Rockets will have more competition than the Nets (the deadline scenario), but they will very much be in the mix.

 

^ Didn't even talk about the Bulls. Another landing spot with some logic. Another team that could compete with Houston's offer.

Those are the only teams with assets/flexibility/desire that I can remember being discussed

 

Considering the Rockets paid the luxury tax last year for a team that missed the playoffs, I don't think you have anything to worry about if you're buying into the "Les is Cheap" crap. If the Rockets were truly a cheap organization, you wouldn't see them giving NBA contracts to players in order to fortify their D-League rosters, or consistently being one of the top spenders when it comes to buying picks. They also pay their coach very well, and employ one of the largest, and likely expensive statistical analysis staffs in the NBA; go look at how Memphis or Charlotte operate their scouting departments and you can see what a truly cheap owner can do to cut corners.

Strategically, vastly exceeding the luxury tax may or may not be a good move even with unlimited financial resources. The new CBA enacts stiff penalties to teams that exceed the "apron" of ~$4M over the limit, including trade restrictions and limits to the MLE and Bi-Annual Exception. Look at the Knicks situation with Steve Novak and Jeremy Lin to see how being a tax-payer can handcuff your options.

 

I wonder who the leak source is within the organization?

I'd much rather prefer we go under the radar getting a superstar than have every Tom, Dick and Harry know about it. Plus it drives up the price and takes away our advantage.

 

Don't want to start a new thread on this topic.

Anybody else see a trend with rockets' young players?

Brooks - when he took the start over alston, he played like the next iverson
then did not look the same when he came back

Budinger - had a great rookie season and did well in the sophomore preseason then went down hill from there

Patterson - one heck of a rookie season then got injured. came back and was not the same AT ALL

Lowry - he is somewhat following the trend of these young players

Hill - when we first got him, he played like he was going to be a 10/10 pf/c
then he just went into his shell and lost interest in basketball or sumthin

now Parsons - played so well when he gets starter minutes like the young players,
I hope parsons doesn't go the route that the others are going

 

Although I am reluctant about having him now,you are absolutely correct in my opinion.

 

How many teams out there meet the following criteria?

Care to list some examples of teams that can beat the Rockets offer AND willing to rent Howard for a single year?

Not sure why you mentioned Dallas. You must think really highly of their young players.

 

Well, i've managed to move my daughter from sfa back to league city in about 10 hrs and gt rained. I come back and this thread has grown. Simple question for all the guys who think this is not made up bs, who do the rockets have that orlando should give howard up to get? Even if orlando doesnt have leverage, which they do,what could the rockets offer that could beat other teams despite howard not wanting to sign long term?

Pat ? has said many times that for a guy like howard, you're better off letting him walk and starting over because you would never get value for him. I'd imagine if Orlando called and asked for blake griffin, jordan, and a pick, the clippers would really listen to that offer. If orlando called and asked about wade for howard, riley would really listen to that call. If morey callas and offers all his picks for the next 3 yrs and the best players on the rockets with the best contracts and take hedo or jameer, orlando aint taking that call.

 

There was never a deal in place for howard. Maybe houston thought so, but orlando never,ever,ever,ever,ever, had a deal to send howard to houston.

 

Brooks - got hurt, lost starting, became a jerk

Bud - didn't look to bad this season, shooting well, defense sucked as usual

Patterson - had surgery, played hurt entire season, having another surgery

Lowry - just fine, just not starting at the moment

Hill - ............

Parsons - will be an all-star next season

 

With that many "nevers" what are you basing that off of?

 

Very Very Interesting, crazy how close we got to landing Howard.