thus far i haven't seen any offers that have really come close to being finalized, the nuggets are pretty stubborn and the offers from ny nj etc are clearly not enticing enough, yet. but, they will be pressured to trade, not on feb 1 or jan 31, but gradually as we enter into late november and well into december/january. and clearly, the nuggets front office is aware of the fact that offers will become less and less attractive. i think it would be ideal for morey to really push the melo issue in mid december, when the nuggets would feel the pressure and incentive to trade melo yet assume that in order to anticipate shrinking offers later, they must get a great deal done earlier in the process than, say, february. that is where morey and his assets step in and can maximize the potential for a trade.
What if the Nuggets call his bluff, I mean will Carmelo walk away from a current CBA extension? His history of taking the $$$ says otherwise.....if I were Denver I would sit completely tight. DD
true, but i think it is fair to assume that melo wants out of denver above all else, otherwise what are we discussing here? plus, he can get a current CBA extension from ny or nj, and considering those are the only clubs he has openly mentioned in discussing extensions (note denver is not on this short list), i think denver knows theyre in a "cut your losses" situation.
It's always much easier for a player to walk then to stay. Grass is greener on the other side even if it's not. Carmelo is clearly trying to play his cards correctly but he already revealed his hand. He doesn't think he can win in Denver and he's not going to re-up to be a 2nd tier team. If NY sucks it up this year it will be interesting to see how things unfold.
Lou, But Melo's history (taking the extra year etc) suggests that he will stay where the money is, regardless of his bluff. Let's not forget that if he signs with NY, he would get much less, and the Nugz can tell the Knicks to take a hike to avoid giving him a full extension deal. I am not saying they would do this, but hey might coming into the new CBA..... I just think Melo might be bluffing here and the Nuggets might be able to wait him out. DD
Completely off-topic. As we talk about Melo, Chad Ford is saying that Josh Smith may be shopped around. Seems like something the team needs personally. Can be a knucklehead sure but he hasn't had the best of coaches, dude is a major shot-blocking presence.
Great article Bima! I never thought about Melo as a trade asset for next offseason in the event he won't sign an extension. With Melo, we could contend this year, and as long as we can recoup some of the assets we'd be giving away to get him (assuming he won't sign long-term), it seems to me that the cost benefit analysis is such that it works out for Houston (assuming they don't give up the moon for the 1-year rental).
No rental. No play here? No help Knicks teams get fantasy team or Denver out of crisis they brought on themselves. They give us Carmelo and Carmelo signs, or we are part of trade in which we get something back, or we dont do deal.
Well written article and something to consider, but realistically not very likely. If we don't get Carmelo we could make a trade for a young mid level player who could make us better, or better yet trade up for a high draft pick. Really I would like to give this team time to continue to make adjustments and improve to become the team it should be (it's only game 3, if they start achieving win streaks and start getting blowout wins we might change our minds later) If that kind of gamble were to be made, I think the price would have to be very low, like only one player (not named Brooks) or just the draft picks (whichever ones are the lowest value, including our own if we have a high winning record.) Too risky, unless the price is low I think.
Money talks for sure. But CA is no longer a young man and the clock is ticking. Who knows what goes on in his head. If money is what he really cares about, maybe he'll resign. If it's winning, then I think he bolts, and not for NY.
does anyone else think trading good prospects gives them more incentive to develop? out of spite for the team that traded them.
ESPN Insider today: Teams Willing to Gamble on Melo Conventional wisdom holds that if a team is going to pull the trigger on a Carmelo Anthony trade, that'd like some sort of assurance he's willing to sign an extension with them. After all, what's the point of trading away assets for half a season with the gifted scorer if he's just going to leave in the summer? But as ESPN's Marc Stein reports in the Weekend Dime, there are a more than few teams that are willing to take this risk with the hope that once Melo comes to town, he'll want to stay. Stein explains: -- Ryan Corazza ESPN's Mark Stein Link to Stein Article
ESPN reporting anything means nothing... maybe the bitter taste of the Chris Bosh fiasco is still in my mouth
We need a top 2 draft pick more than anything. (we are rebuilding I hope) I wouldn't take Melo with the team we have to surround him. Now if we had Paul and Melo and a good backup for Yao that would give us a decent chance to compete. Right now we need to watch Yao's return very carefully. If he can dominate again it probably won't be til next season, does he get extended????
Bima, I have some questions. I only read about half this thread, looking for some things that jumped out at me when I read your article, so I apologize if I missed something. Also, I only read Larry Coon voraciously when we are at the trading deadline, or in July, so maybe I missed something there. 1) Is it an ETO or a player option? Just asking. 2) How do you figure the Rockets would get a huge TPE, not to mention those future first-round picks? Once the trading deadline passes in February, we would not get a chance to trade Carmelo before we lose him, if he doesn't exercise his option to stay (or does exercise the option to terminate). In the trade you formulated, the salaries roughly match, so there is no TPE there. What strikes me as interesting is, if Carmelo doesn't stay with us, that would put us roughly at the salary cap. We would still have Hayes' $2.3 mil and Courtney Lee's $2.2 mil to take us under the cap, not to mention Yao's $17 million. If we let go of Yao and Hayes, and kept Lee, we would be somewhere around $20 million under the cap, and still have Martin, Scola, PPatt, Lowry, Miller, AB, Courtney, JT, Ish. Aside from being able to sign a top FA, we would also have salary flexibility (vs. the LT) for years. A big problem with rolling the dice here is that we don't know what the CBA will look like. That could turn this idea into a disaster.
