Yeah right! Anyways, you don't approve of my trade scenario? Worst case scenario, we S&T Melo to the Knicks for a large TE and some draft picks. We get left with a core of Scola-Martin-Lowry-Hinrich with the possibility of Anderson and Yao coming back full force. You could net a SF with the TE we recieve from the Knicks. Also a Yao/Scola/Dampier/Anderson/Miller/Hayes frontline is a nightmare! LA, eat your hearts out.
And hindsight is always 20-20, isn't it. The difference, sometimes, between you and me is that you appear to take your personal feelings towards a particular player and let them color your posts about something, or someone, that you've developed an avid dislike for after the fact being discussed. This is a great example. I can post that trading Francis and Mobes, two very good players, netted us a truly great player in return. You can't respond without saying that it "was worth doing... at the time..." which doesn't describe your feelings at the time at all. "Worth doing at the time" sounds like someone describing a trip to the dentist to get a cavity taken care of, sort of like a back-handed compliment, when in fact I think you were over the moon about the deal. And you include "Too bad both Yao and Tmac were made of glass." Of course it's too bad, but at the time we had no way of knowing that. Just thought that was worth mentioning.
I liked the trade........and would do it again. You can't fear that....but to me Melo is not as good as Tmac......Melo can score but he doesn't do as much as Tmac could..... While I don't like Tmac any longer, he was truly an elite player...there was no question he was top 5 in the league at the time. If there was a top 5 player out there, I would be all over that trade. DD
Good find, but I changed my mind after that regarding Turner. But I am more than happy to keep Chase. DD
Man, 70,000+ posts will do that to you! Better to be judicious with your post count. You'll cut down on the number of times you are caught in an out-and-out lie/hypocrisy. I promise, you'll lose none of your usual charm.
for me, I want us to stop hoping that we could nab Melo..we should focus on praying on gettin our first win of the season.
But DD this is not about comparing t-mac to Melo, this is about whether or not you think they can take you to another level... If you asked me if t-mac had the individual talent to make us Champs, I would definitely say yes, but guess what, other things happened, and it was a failure..... We can bring the best player (Kobe or LBJ), and still don´t win, you can´t predict, all you can do is put yourself in a position to challenge, and try to go all the way, right now we aren´t there (this is what I think you still haven´t noticed).... Does this mean that we should do a stupid trade just because we are not there?? No But do you even think that the team that will trade for Melo, will not know before, that he will sign an extension??? (even if he has some demands (CP3)) Todays NBA, unfortunately, after that LBJ/WADE/BOSH saga is not the same..... People talk, do you think that that Miami plan was not talked about before it actually happened??? Why do you think that the teams like NJ Hou NYK, are the ones named almost every time, because they are the few that can join Melo and CP3 (via free agency or trade) Even if you think that Melo alone will not take us to another level, questionable but acceptable, there is no way that Morey trades for a player knowing he has NO CHANCE to re-sign, but the simple fact that Hou, is probably the only team out of these 3 that can trade for Melo for a "supposedly" rental (the other 2 would suck for the next 50 years), gives us an advantage, because Morey can play hard ball with Denver all season until the trade deadline (because all of those trade offers by Morey will be more valuable then any other offer received 2 days before the trade deadline)... And DD, players are valuable on the court, as they are off the court, and for me, specially AB, he is more valuable off the court after last year MIP, and Budinger will be a solid player, that will lack mentality to dominate, he has the offensive talent, but he is not the confident dude you need to be to be great, that "you can´t me stop fool" mentality you need to be a great baller That is an aspect that you simply don´t mention about Melo, you need to have at least one of these players (attention I am not saying that quiet effective players like Scola or Martin are not needed on a championship team, the only problem is that we only have these kind of players) Yao has the talent, but even him, never had this "killer" (as kobe fans like to name) instinct (talking about the past Yao, he still has to prove that he can be that player) This is probably one of the reason the famous no superstars team Detroit won, they had Billups and Rasheed that had (back then) that mentality, "give me the ball cause I will make it", to go along a quiet baller named Hamilton and Prince PeAcE
Even if we knew for a fact Melo would leave at the end of the season, you still make the trade. Cbud is very expendable. Brooks is less so but as a flawed player you let him go as well. Brooks really should be playing off the bench behind a real pg. I pull this trade and go for the ring. If Melo gets to the finals, he has a chance of resigning. It would be hard for him to go to the knicks just so he can get knocked out by Miami in 5 games in the eastern conference finals if he had a great series against Miami in Houston in the finals. But regardless - you do this deal. Melo is the best talent out there. Battier is near the end of his window. Yao is always a question mark and in his final season. There's no guarantee with Yao for any season. He could get some other injury this year or next. We have learned that the hard way. Martin and Scola are the perfect role players to Yao and Melo. With those four, you don't need a scoring point guard. You just need a point guard who can drive and dish and play D. Lowry is perfect for that roll. With Battier, Lee, and others off the bench, you have the makings of a contending squad. We won't get another chance at this. One Melo is gone, we're years away from contending. We may not have a good enough draft pick and will be caught in the NBA's version of no man's land. Not good enough to contend, but too good to get a great draft pick. We'll be another Utah Jazz. Another Portland Trailblazers. We'll be a Golden State. Trading for Melo - what are we really risking? Mediocrity? Even if it blows up next year, we can trade Yao and be awful for a season and get a great draft pick to rebuild. Why stay mediocre? Makes no sense to me. Let's roll the dice and if it flops, at least we get a high draft pick. So really, it's like 2 chances to end up in a better situation versus staying pat and being perennial also-rans.
If we were to do a Melo trade, it should be done like now. Waiting till the deadline is too long and by then, who knows what our record would be. Morey should be on the phone with Kroenke right now! We need to gel.
Wooooooooow. That was awesome. And I'm not even a DDingleberry. On board with the half season Carmelo rental and increased odds at making him a Rocket long term. Gotta roll the dice sometime. The goal here is to win a championship, not make it to the second round. If Carmelo works it drastically increases it our odds. If not.. sign and trade and do a little re-tooling. Chase is a young talent with an excellent skill set. I am convinced he will be a good NBA player for years to come. I am also fairly certain he will never begin to reach Carmelo territory as far as an NBA talent. Gotta trade up. It's far from an exact science but its not a difficult concept. If the Rockets are going to rely on AB and Kmart to close games for us we are going to have a very stressful season.
I'd do the trade. We need to improve this team one way or another. We need to be in 'win now' mode, especially with Yao's uncertain situation. I'd give up Brooks, Lowry doesn't need to score with a linup of Martin, Melo, Scola, and Yao. Those are four legitimate scoring threats, and I'd argue that all four of those players have the ability to take over the game. But Melo has shown that he is able to really take over, when teams start playing lock down defense. He attracts the double (if the other team is smart lol) and just commands attention. We all know that Martin can knock down wide open 3's, and that Scola's 15 foot jumper is money. Melo's attracting attention will help free up a lot more easy baskets by those players. We'd be better defensively, too, with Lowry starting. A deal like that really makes the team better all around, and I'd go for it. I want to go deep in the playoffs, and currently this team we have now doesn't look like it will do that without acquiring a great player. At first, I was against giving up Brooks OR Martin, but seeing how bad our defense is, I believe that Lowry will make a better starting PG. This is hard for me to say, since I really like Brooks (he is one of my favorite players). But Brooks doesn't keep his composure, and when he gets angry, it makes him play worse. He also keeps driving in in the lane at the end of games expecting calls when he should know by now that he isn't going to get any. I love his ability to pull up from a few feet behind the 3 point line, but he is starting to take too many of those. I don't think he is going to get any better.
Time to gel is over-rated. A half-season is plenty for a guy like Carmelo Anthony. He's played under George Karl for quite a while who emphasis is on defense and discipline, so he might struggle a bit to learn all of Adelman's sets but really RA coaches around star players anyway and will let Melo do his thing. You don't need to set-up a whole lot of plays for a guy like CA. Case in point - look at Clyde Drexler joining mid-season to take the Rockets to the promise land. Pau Gasol nearly did the same thing - had Bynum not been injured I am convinced they would have beat the Celtics. We don't need to be anything but in the top 8 seeds when we make a move for Carmelo Anthony. And the less interest we show now, the better chance we'll get him at the trade deadline. That's because the more time that passes the less incentive the knicks have to acquire a player they will get at the end of the year anyway. And thus the lower CA value goes. Morey holds all the cards. he just has to wait for Denver to crack and pull the trigger.
ewwwww no pls no losing to much for a possibility. For a rental there has to be a better trade. Denver might end up with nada.
