[ClutchFans] Potential trade targets include Nene, Granger

Adelman has realized Chuck's importance. He is doing much better than before on offense,and his defense remains solid. DM won't let him go easily.

 

Probably not. But . . . if the Rockets can pull off a Granger or Nene trade without using Yao's contract, then make a separate trade with Sacramento (or possibly Minnesota) to turn Yao's contract into a huge TPE (as jopatmc and I have mentioned before and which is explained in more detail in this article), the Rockets could pull off a "Melo-to-Knicks" type of extend-and-trade deal leading up to the February 2012 trade deadline.

 

Do you really think Chuck likes playing out of position, taking a beating all while logging heavy minutes? I'm sure He'd love for us to get a true Center.

Do you think he can't wait to play spot minutes as a defensive specialist on a contender? I'm sure Chuck is just fine here. Kiss off

 

Honestly i think Chuck should start at the 4 and we should trade scola for a nice young Center..we might lose some offense power but i think its worht it at this point, we need better defense..obviously

 

I'm not certain of Nene's trade value but I don't think we can land both him and Granger. Plus, I'm not even sure Indiana is open to dealing Granger.

I think Brooks straight up could land Nene and if not throw in either Hill or Bud and a pick if needed.

We could land Andre Iguodala for expirings, Philly is open to do it. Battier and Jeffries maybe throw in a pick to seal the deal.

We'd be adding two great defenders and a great third scoring option on the floor (AI). And even Kobe has gone on record to say AI gives him more trouble than other defender in the league! We could use that.

Lowry/Ish
Martin/Lee
AI/T-Will/Bud
Scola/PP
Nene/Hayes/Miller

Definitely a team that can compete against anyone in a series.

 

Let's start Chuck at the 4 and start Scola at the 5, since Scola is our best post-up player, and he's 3 inches taller than Chuck. Their roles won't change any, but the lineup will sound more balanced.

 

nene isn't playing tonight for some reason. i didn't hear why but im wondering if denver is getting ready to sell the team. Supposedly denver is shipping out melo this week. Thats what ive heard on the news here and stuff.

 

Bima, here is what I'm saying, but take this as a tanking kind of thing.

Whatever the Rockets do, they need to be liquid for 2012. These teams that lose their franchise player dont take back 10m good players. They would rather have the large tpe and a small contract or rookie contract guys. So the thinking by larsv8 that the team will sign and trade for the contract of players, I dont think will happen.

So lets say the cap stays at 58m,the rockets payrol at the end of next season should be more than 40m. I could be greedy and think the rockets can get 2 guys, but I doubt it. Lets also not forget Martin contract expires at the time also.I dont know what his cap hold would be,you're better than I am at that.

Another element is the emerging talent. Those guys will be looking forward at the upside of the team. Lebron made a great statement when he said its about the multiple chaces at a ring.Ideally, i think if you trade for granger, you have to send out scola or martin.Nene is different because he can opt out after this season and if he doesnt, he's part of 2012 also.I like Nene, but with his ability, he should be a lot more productive.

So lets say the rockets pull it off and get granger and nene,where do they finish? 7th or 8th? Lets say thats the landing spot for arguments sake, its still another 1st rd loss to Dallas,Sa,or La which is what will happen. This summer,nene opts out,now what? Granger,martin,scola,lowry,and miller are acounting for 41m at the end of this season. Not only that, you've lost 3 or 4 spots in the draft,your big man, and a team good enough to win 40 games with no upside.

 

Again...havent you argued multiple times that no free agent would want to come here?

 

Great, great, article. Just a breathe of fresh air that us fans need to keep our hopes and spirits alive for the future of this once-promising team.

But HOWEVER, I disagree with the plan entirely. I don't think any of this trade scenario for a big man is the best plan for the team.

We have some very good trade assets -- the newly emerged Aaron Brooks whos boosted himself onto the trade market overnight... becoming the hottest trade property since the days of Steve Francis...also Battier, Jefferies, Hayes, Miller, Budinger, Hill, you name the lot.

But there are some very doubtful uncertainties when it comes to the trade targets that many of us have been discussing day in and day out...

Danny Granger/Gerald Wallace/Stephen Jackson -- these three respective players are on teams that are on the playoff bubble -- 8th, and 9th, respectively. Will they trade their franchise player for a inferior player + expiring contracts and totally drop out of the playoff picture? I think not.
Its hard to come away with a bargain like we did last time with Kevin Martin. The K-Mart trade was a legendary trade.

I've done some calculations and research:

For the upcoming season, if we don't resign any of our guys or trade them away for future considerations:

Scola+Martin+Lowry+Lee+Patterson+Hill+Miller+Williams

= 40 million

salary commitments

= about 15-20 million in capspace depending on the new cba

for the 2011-2012 season:

Scola+Martin+Lowry+Hill+Williams+Lee+Patterson

= 40 million

salary commitments

about 15-20 million in capspace depending on the new cba

In those calculations I've included Jordan Hill. As we all know, Jordan Hill doesn't have a future on this team--he is simply a bad player who will flame out in a few years, in all honesty. Right now he still has upside, but that upside is not enough for us to keep him and keep on paying him salary each year that eats into our capspace.

So Hill could probably be gone for a future first-rounder.

In 2012, there is Gerald Wallace, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, etc.

Its not just enough to have the capspace for ONE star. THEY WANT TO PLAY TOGETHER.

So my plan is to clear out ALL our trade assets for future considerations.

Rubio, future first rounders/swaps, Fran Vasquez etc etc.

With $58.044 million being the salary cap this summer and contracts contracting (excuse the pun there ), we should be able to go after two big name free agents in 2012.

Alternatively, I feel Nene/Dalembert etc, isn't worth the troubles of us spending an entire season looking forward to trade for. I mean, FRECKIN' NENE?? IS THAT OUR DENNIS RODMAN WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ALL SEASON??? lol.

 

id be stoked to get nene

brooks+hill+jeffries for nene+shelden williams

 

In the last couple if years they've unsuccessfully tried to trade Ford for anything just to ditch him. He's also refused any buyout offers.

 

Nene?? Granger??

Why are we even talking about these scrubs...

MELO SHOULD BE WHO WE ARE GOING FOR!!!

CAAAAAARRRRRRMELOO!!!!

 

I've argued the team has to look like they're poised for a run with high quality players. The rockets only really have 2 and thats martin and scola, but the younger guys are going to want to also play with guy with some upside. Not to mention,the rockets never had the money to go after these guys. They have to be in a position cap wise to entice or force the hand of the other team. If the rockets have enough for a max deal, then they're in the game. If not, the other team will call the player bluff.Its one thing saying you will leave for the max or near max and its another thing to only have mle money.

 

I don't hear a lot about him, but why shouldn't we be going after Kendrick Perkins? Tough defensive center who can battle Dwight Howard in the low post. I understand he wil be a free agent next year. I like him better than most of the centers out there, assuming he gets fully healthy. I think he would protect the basket extremely well.

 

With Yao's contract and our other expirings (except Hayes, gotta keep him), we have the ability to take not 1, but 2 teams out of the luxury tax, or at the very least save 2 teams substantial money and turn them profitable this year. And if there aren't 2 teams that want to do that and rebuild, then with the TPE, we can try again next season or during the offseason.


Yao's expiring contract along with $8 million of built in cash is growing more valuable by the hour.

 

Not many good young defensive centers out there

Javale McGee-doubt washington will trade him as they're a young and rebuilding team and he's a integral part of that team

Hasheem Thabeet-bust

Damarcus Cousins-not gonna get traded

Cole Aldrich-unproven

Kevin Love-not a center, but still we're not getting him

Nene-not young, but solid player, not much of an improvement of Scola

Tyson Chandler-old, might as well put Marcus Camby here too

Kendrick Perkins-ehhhhh maybe

Can't think of many more fairly young quality centers

 

Yeah, but who really wants it? It was paid last year and they didnt trade him or it. I dont think they have the stones to trade yao and his contract. Thats just my personal take on it. They couldve gotten alot more last year because some people were foolish to believe he was coming back and was going to be Yao Ming of 2005.

I'm not saying they cant get anything for him. At this point, anything is better than nothing for someone who has given the rockets nothing for the last 2 yrs.

 

Well, let's start with Charlotte. Losing close to $20 million per year. I think they'd take Yao's contract in a heartbeat if they could ditch Wallace and another contract.

How about Sacramento. Lottery team. They'd love for us to eat Beno or Garcia's contract and take on Yao's expiring which is already paid with insurance dollars and they'll put a couple dollars in their pockets besides. That's a $17 million TPE right there. (I think we can do better.)

Next, Detroit. They'd love to get their hands on Yao's contract and blow up that mess of bad contracts up there.

Next, Denver. IF Melo leaves and they see they are going out of the playoffs, they'd love to get their hands on Yao's deal and save some major dollars.

Indy??? They're losing about $17 mill per season. They may be willing to unload Granger/Posey and make some money instead of barely eke into the playoffs and lose more money.

How about Milwaukee??? They are bleeding red ink as well. (This is my darkhorse trade candidate right here.) And they are going nowhere FAST. Wonder if they may be interested in blowing it up and moving Bogut, Maggette, and Gooden out for Yao and another expiring. Huge salary dump for them and perhaps the chance to break even instead of staying in the red again.

Do you need me to name more??????

 

Last year was different. Last year the team was clinging to the hope that the next Yao that played for them would be a healthy Yao. A mixture of "we need an All Star to win / get on TV + Yao makes us money + we owe it to Yao + what value will we possibly get if we deal him with that much time left on his contract?"