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[ClutchFans] Houston Rockets Salary Cap Update: 2015 Offseason Pre-Draft Edition

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. larsv8

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    The key this offseason is too improve the team without compromising your ability to sign Kevin Durant next year.
     
  2. basketballholic

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    Spot on.
     
  3. J Sizzle

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    Don't tease me....
     
  4. hooroo

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    Since Prigioni is under contract... Even if he retires, does this contract prevent Prigioni from playing a farewell year in Spain, unless the Rockets grant a release?

    I'm wondering if the Rockets can use their team option to their advantage in terms of bargaining down or away Llull's buy out.

    Rodriguez and Fernandez are coming off contract for Real Madrid as well.

    Prig played for RM from between 2009-2011 and his wife is from Madrid too.

    First Euro-NBA trade?
     
  5. finsraider

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    Agree with this, and it's one reason I don't feel the need to go "all in" this summer.

    Even if a deal with Llull doesn't get done, that's OK. You draft your #18 and #32 picks, resign KJ McDaniels using a portion of the MLE, match anything for Beverley that doesn't go above $4 million per, and then maybe you get some short term PG help at $3 million per using the rest of the MLE.

    Keep in mind that this offseason is likely the last chance the Rockets will have to add significant young and cheap talent to the roster.
     
  6. malakas

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    I think its against the cba to make trades with teams out of the league. The most is paying a amount of buyout. I also think that he can retire or void his contract and play just fine in spain. Even if it was possible madrid wouldnt trade rodriguez for a year of prigs.
     
  7. glimmertwins

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    Yup - spot on assessment.
     
  8. Rockets_12

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    Didn't know where else to post this but here it is:

    I think there's a very low chance that Pat Bev is back next season ESPECIALLY if Llull comes over.

    We'd be willing to give him the MLE and nothing more. Pretty sure he's gonna command somewhere between $7M-$11M.

    You guys also have to look at what is happening next summer. Morey doesn't want to overspend unless its an above average player (Ty Lawson is whom we've been talking about.) If he overpays Pat, then it'll limit him cap wise at the trade deadline AND we don't upgrade at point. If he gets Lawson or someone of that caliber, then he could just wait til the summer to sign someone outright and we upgrade at point this season.

    See what I'm saying?

    *On a completely unrelated note, I don't see him trading Ariza for LMA or Love either. Love will likely opt-in at least in my opinion AND LMA will sign 1 year deal to make more money next summer.*
     
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    Bev could be back on a multi-year deal for low money or high money if only the first year is guaranteed. If some team offers him $20 million or so, he's probably gonzo. Move on. Want defense at the point? Sign Aaron Craft for the minimum. Get on down the road.

    Bev could also be a part of a larger sign-and-trade package for possibly even another non-guaranteed contract that we can stack up with Kostas and Pablo for a larger trade later on.
     
  10. dobro1229

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    Wouldn't Kostas and Pablo essentially have to be traded on draft night or shortly after in order to move them before the salary becomes guaranteed? I remember with Delfino and Dalembert's contracts before it was basically trade them on draft night, or that's pretty much it.
     
  11. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    Nope. Kostas's salary does not become guaranteed until early October. Pablo's salary is already partially guaranteed for $440k but apparently has no guarantee date for the remainder (meaning it might not become fully guaranteed until January 2016). The Rockets essentially have all offseason to deal those contracts if they so choose . . . although dealing/waiving them earlier may be necessary in order to make other moves that require them to be below the apron or tax levels.
     
  12. basketballholic

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    It sure would be nice to trade Jones/Dorsey in a package and pick up a larger non-guaranteed contract and possibly a second rounder.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    That is a nice luxury to have. Especially if you are unsure of the moves being made and unsure about Brewer coming back. People forget that before the Brewer trade and Pap injuries, Kostas was actually a pretty solid backup, and even started well for the Rockets at the beginning of the season.

    I think folks would be dissapointment that better players weren't acquired that required him to be moved, but just saying... its nice to have that security to keep him until you absolutely know you need to move him.
     
  14. dobro1229

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    Hollic wanting to trade Jones.... and the sun rose in the East this morning. Today ends in Y, I'm still not a millionaire, etc. etc.

    I was under the impression that the Rockets didn't necessarily need another non-guaranteed to trade for a max-salary sized contract anyways. Sure those contracts are nice to have, but no guarantees they will have use over real players you can offer in trades, or actually use in future seasons as real players.

    In other words... what's your point, and who are you fake trading for today? Deron Wiliams? Rubio... who do you have a hard sell for today?
     
  15. Zergling

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    We could get a max level player and still get Durant the next year if we trade Dwight OR he declines his player option and we don't keep him or is willing to come back for cheap.
     
  16. basketballholic

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    Do your own homework.

    Whole lotta nuth'n

    FT Flexibility - I bet you've never heard of him.
     
  17. ROXTXIA

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    Morey did trade Marcus Morris for next to nothing a couple years back, clearing out for Dwight. He was worth more than that, but it was necessary.

    I do hope if Jones is traded that he'd be more than a salary dump. I don't know why you value Jones so little, what with all the "T_ones" stuff. I don't overvalue him, but the dude's worth a 1st round pick. Not a lottery pick, mind you, but maybe something in the #19 range (near where he was drafted).
     
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    1. Jones has 1 year left before he's a restricted free agent.

    2. There are gobs of undersized power forwards in the league, many who have demonstrated superior skill sets to Terrence.

    3. T_ones has been my monicker for him since posters here kept telling me how great he was. I wanted to remind them that he cannot shoot a basketball. He has no J. It looks like we maybe actually get a real TJones here in the next few weeks, however, and it appears that Terrence's exit is around the corner. So I can go back to using "TJones" when that happnes.

    4. First round pick for Terrence??? Sign me up. Hey, he's a great player. Sell it brotho. Sell it. I'll take a late first rounder for Terrence any day of the week.

    Sadly, I think you way overrate Terrence's trade value. He was drafted at 19. Now he's 3 years into his career and has not shown that he can be a difference maker. 3 years older. And you think we can get #19 for him again. Like he didn't depreciate at all over 3 years. Garnering a second while simultaneously getting rid of Dorsey's dead weight deal....sounds good to me. (I'm doubtful we can even turn a deal like that.) If you find the team that's willing to give up a late first for him, call Morey and let him know. Because I'm sure Morey doesn't know of one right now.
     
  19. dobro1229

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    The Morris trade is a good call-back, and relevant to see that the Rockets roster situation is much more complex now going into this Summer. The Rockets actually have a roster with established players that need to stay. The gist of it is Howard, Harden, and Ariza account for 46.278 million against the salary cap alone next year. That's the story right there, and you work around that.

    Terrence Jones is not the linchpin that will determine whether or not the Rockets are a max cap room team or not this Summer.

    What is though will be the first order of business will be the free agents of THIS YEAR (Brewer, Smith, Terry, etc.). You have alot of money weighing on bringing any of these guys back that will dictate what financial situation you have in free agency.

    *I want to be on record with saying that I am OKAY... totally fine moving Terrence Jones if you have to, or if the Rockets are able to upgrade their situation, or roster doing so. Never have I NOT said that even though I'm accused of being a Jones Only Fan quite a bit. I can't state this enough, and still people are blinded by objectivity and only say....

    "what people aren't blatantly agreeing with me... no I can't take that.... your not a real Rockets fan because you don't blindly agree with everything I say, and I am the only person who can dictate the moves it takes to make this team win...."

    The point is...If you are throwing out reasons like -

    -Fear about Jones' restricted free agency
    -Needing him moved for free agency this year
    -Don't need depth with D-Mo, and Smith already on roster

    You're probably just looking for excuses to trade him for personal reasons. If you just straight up do not like him personally than folks need to be truthful and say so instead of trying to plant stupid campaigns and masking it with real roster building cases. The Rockets have much more pressing issues in front of them. Jones' situation in free agency next year is pressing issue #147 and falling.

    Let the Terrence _ones Bull S#$% stop people. If he's on the roster next year.... WE WILL BE OK. The franchise will not crumble and Les will not move the team to Siberia. Terrence will not kill your family dog, or make out with your little sister. We will be ok either way.... geezus.
     
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    why do people think KD will come here
     

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