ClutchFans Game Thread: Warriors @ Rockets 12/17/2004

Trust me on this one. Yao would love to have his first 20-20 of the season.

 

Yao ranks 44th in the NBA in shot attempts. Of course stats don't matter when the rockets win but if the rox have a single loss, 80% of the people on this site get on his case about heart, not going to the line, etc etc. So obviously, Yao does need to up his scoring and sometimes stat padding will help that if for no other reason than to shut his detractors up because all they care about is stats. Otherwise, you get random people who don't watch him play say that he's not aggressive on offense (never mind that an axis center like Yao needs people to pass to him...and somehow the Houston knick role players don't want to do it) or that he's not trying (anyone see his free throw attempts? hint hint, they're much higher than TMAcs so obviously that accusation ain't true). Basically, Yao is screwed either way.

All I'm saying is that since Yao has basically taken Stevies role as the whipping boy by a lot of hypocritical Rocket 'fans', if things don't change, Yao should ask to be traded to a team where he can truly take his game to the next level cuz he certainly won't get any love or support in houston, apparently. And, the rox can have a running, gunning TMAC like they want and end up like the pitiful Magic of the 2003-2004 season.

 

It sickens me that after what was probably the finest overall game from the Rockets, some of you still feel the need to come in here and talk all sorts of crap...Im not naming names, you and everyone else can see who you are.

Pissed cause Yao didnt get more stats?

Pissed cause Tmac did what we got him for?

You probably didnt even notice the 9 rebound performance of Howard, and that isnt even counting the quality defensive work he was doing.

I could go on, but Im gonna cut this short before I lose my temper and start cussing you bunch of fairweather fans some stuff that will get me banned.

 

that's what i'm thinking about

 

I'd take Ben and Rich for Yao right now.

 

I do agree with this to a certain degree. Yao never gets any chance to do any stat padding, while TMac is given all the chance to pad his stats in the 4th quarter after the game is well decided.

I do agree that since this board is so negative on Yao, he should be given some chance to pad his stats a little bit just in case to shut the F***ing mouths of some noisy fans.

 

Did you watch the game? Sura and Yao won the game for us. TMac was 6-18 from the field when the game was already decided, and then he score like 12-13 points in the 4th to get his 27.

If TMac can really go off at any time, I will ask him to take any shots he wants. The difference between Kobe and TMac......Kobe takes 20 shots to get 28 points in 2004, while TMac takes 19 shots to get his 22. The ability or willingness to be aggressive and get to the FT line is the difference.

 

Hard to believe that one role player can make that big a difference,but they can. Sura can be, of course, much more then a "role player". Taylor's commetns really point in the direction that I hope becomes the standard around here after games to wit, "he pushed us, he made it happen, he hit the the pass to just the right spot, yada yada,," Now, maybe we can see more of what we have and can be. Funny how a game liek this makes all the , "git a damn point guard in here talk" to to die down. If Bobby's back is back, damn we could have some fun. Can you say fast break points ? Howard and Taylor are gonna really come out smelling like roses if this is any indicatoin of what's to come. Forget about trading Dekembe, that would be just plain stupid also. Go Rocketgs ! Bee neat to see how Sura is tonight after laying it all out on the floor last night.

 

Everybody needs to calm down. Padding stat or not, we won. As long as we win, I'm happy. There's no point of leaving your starters out there if you got the game won. Let the bench players have some play time.

 

p.s People whining tha Yao doesn't get to "pad his statistics"? Grow up please.

 

I slept like a baby... now I'm going to get some Krispy Kremes and do some X-mas shopping. Maybe I'll even buy myself something today. The universe is aligned for at least 10 more hours. Ahhhhmmmmmm.......

Maybe JVG and the Rockets had a moment of clarity!

 

Some of u guys are awesome. The best thing is u dont feel ashamed for yourself. Unfortunately I feel embarrassed as a fellow Rocket fan. Imagine one day u go to Suns board and posters there are whining about how amare dont get a chance to pad his stats in a blow out game. I would certainly laugh to death at how stupid and shameless their fans are. Now.....

 

This question has already been posted before, but no one responeded to it. Did the rockets use their 1-3-1 zone last nite? I was just wondering?

 

Yes they did, barely. Not enough to really warrant a converstation on how good it was.

 

Man, I expected to come to this thread this morning anticipating a postive response and I keep reading a bunch of people complaining about T-Mac taking too many shots and Yao not getting enough. This game was our most balanced effort and frankly, I find anyone who can find something to complain about this game is simply not a Rocket Fan. I'm a hugh Yao fan, but this is a team game and ClutchBBS is a Houston Rockets forum, not a Yao one. What T-Mac did last nite in the 4th quarter was exactly what the team needed, a killer instinct to simply put the Warriors away with a dominating emphasis. Our Rockets need to not only defeat teams that we should beat, we need to beat them down badly. This helps our team morale and helps the Rockets establish a killer identity.

 

WOW! Can't believe there's complaining now a days, aren't the Rockets like 5-1 over their last 6 games?

 

I could care less about Yao's stats. What bothers me is that
Tmac often shoots crap in first 3 qts. I won't complain if he
could improve his FG% in first 3 qts from 33% to 41%. As a
superstar, he also should go to the line more.

 

That's exactly my point. If he begins the game with 10-18 shooting instead of 5-19 or 6-18 all the way through the first 3 quarters, I have no problem with TMac taking any kind of shots he want. Even the Rockets commentors talked about the poor shot selection TMac had during several recent televised games.

The bottom line is that we won't be an elite team unless Tracy becomes more consistent during the whole game against better competition. Those who don't watch the games look at the stats and see Tracy having a great game. Unfortunately, he is not.

 

Here's T-Mac line:

12-25 for 27 points
9 rebounds
4 assists
2 blocks
1 turnover

And I know what you're gonna say snow. Your gonna say a majority of the points came in the 4th when the game was already out of hand. Allz I can say to you then is that the ROCKETS won in a dominating fashion and if that's not enough for you and you have to detail every players attributions for this game down to the micro second...go ahead ....you'll seldom if never find a game in which you're gonna be statisfied.

 

The reason certain people (me included) complain about is because if the rockets lose, Yao's stats is the FIRST thing you people attack. People will immediately start complaining about his lack of offensive ability, heart, aggressiveness, etc etc. But somehow, if TMAC pads his stats in the fourth quarter when the game is already won while Yao has to sit, people will claim that we're all a bunch of whiners. Hypocrisy at its finest.

At any rate, the next time the rockets lose I can expect many of the people who are currently complaining that we're 'fairweather fans' or 'Yao stat padder supporters' or what have to be the first ones to demand that Yao be traded or that he try harder, etc etc.

In which case I say the sooner Yao is traded or demands to be traded the better. Then you can have your high scoring TMAc who shoots on average 40% a game score his 23-24 points by having 25 FGA per game.

I'm starting to agree with Charvo. Trade Yao to LA or Sac. That way the Rockets can get what they want too - a role player center that can fast break and help the rockets lose in style.