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ClutchFans Game Thread: Suns @ Rockets 11/17/2007

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 17, 2007.

  1. sphynx

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    Yao should give up NBA basketball. He gets no respect from the league
    ===> a player who got 20+,10+ and numbers increased consisitantly every year got no respect from the league? who should get that respect? when Yao grap 28/13 to beat Spurs or 34 to Bobcats,where r u?

    Why should 5 games in 7 days be a factor? I played 9 games in 7 days and never felt tired. Aren't they supposed to be conditioned professional athletes?
    ===>it seems you were a professional NBA player before? or you just played on street? 9 games in 7 days? You are a awesome SUPERMAN,ask Morey hire you!
     
  2. kikimama

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    I'm sure NBA players get more exhausted from practice/workout than from the actual 20-40 minutes of playing... That's why players like A.I. can go 45 minutes a game. Practice? You talkin bout practice? (wtf face).
     
  3. tang0

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    Critciism is hate? You YOF really are something because you guys worship Yao and live your lives vicariously through him, because you don't have one youself.
     
  4. Old Man Rock

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    Thanks Clutch... Also I request this guy change his sig.

    That's pretty racist.
     
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    here is the new starting line-up on WED


    PG) Steve Francis-
    SG) Tracy McGrady-
    SF) Shane Battier-
    PF) Luis Scola
    C) Yao Ming-


    If the Rockets that they will win lots of game
     
  6. monica

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    they are just out of state
    next time they'll win cuz of tmac's back and they have a good rest!!!!!!
     
  7. Cosmonaut

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    My thoughts on the game.

    Scola showed why he should start over hayes. Hayes is not a starter he is a 6'6 scrub pf, he does not have the skillset to be a pf, and he is a liability on offense which creates 4 on 5 at the offensive end.

    The constant stupid shots by guys who can't shoot 3's or are just to trigger happy early in the shot clock. Rafer and Snyder have absolutely no ability to knock down the 3 at a decent clip yet they still do it. Mike James thinks he is a Hero and just jacks it up. James might of kept us in the game at quarter time but he disappeared after that.

    Steve Francis looked rusty but he played safe and did the right things that were needed. Team looked good with him on the floor.

    Yao is the most frustrating guy in the nba to watch. the guy needs to get a mean streak in him. He gets abused because he accepts the abuse, the guy needs to start playing rough, when he fouls he needs to start fouling hard to pretty much say you wanna come near me you may get hurt. Until he does that he will be everyones b****.

    Aaron Brooks even only for 3 minutes showed me a few things. His 3pt was very good he showed good catch shooting, and his shooting stroke looked nice and quick. His 2nd basket showed me his ability to get to the basket, this is how he played pretty much in college and was a success. I believe with minutes even a limited time he could show us something and maybe move into the rotation. He will have his mistakes due to being a rookie but the kid does have some upside and skills that rafer just doesn't have.

    Kirk Snyder I don't like him at all, the guy is a flat out ballhog, he shoots 3's when he is crap at it, the only thing he can do is get to the basket which he did nicely sometimes. But the thing that annoyed me most was the last play where he thought he had an open dunk and then Amare blocked him, I laughed at that cause it served him right. But yeah the last play pretty much sums up what sort of player Kirk Snyder is.

    The Rockets on a whole though I thought played well considering the suns shot 73% from the field in the first half, we didnt play that well a defence and we kind of left to many open shots, I personally think the Suns need to be defended one on one and never leave your man even at the 3 point line.
    But yeah Tmac in this game would of made a difference. But I don't really care to much how we play now, it will matter more once it gets past Allstar Break.
     
  8. blastaway

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    Just goes to show you that the starting lineup definitely needs to change. I will say it again, you can't win in the playoffs with three non scoring starters! Rafer should be put in a crate and sent overseas. Chuck and Shane need to play no more than 20 minutes a game off the bench. I dont even care if they close the game out, as long as we have a lead and are trying to protect it with defense.

    Our starters need to be: Steve, Tracy, Bonzi, Scola and Yao.

    All five then are capable of scoring. If any one of them is double teamed, the free man can score the ball! No team in the league can defense this starting line up. And they are still an excellant rebounding bunch! So we can still crash the offensive and defensive boards. Double team Yao with a big man, Scola hits 10-20 footers all game on you. Double team T-mac, or put your best defender on him, and Bonzi kills you on the offensive glass. (Someone please help Bonzi get back to making layups.) Steve can get back to penetrating the lane because he can still beat anybody one on one to get into the lane. If you help on him, he will get someone else the ball. Tracy can now come flying in for those Shawn Marion type dunks; or Bonzi.

    Rick Adelman is not a defensive coach. He needs to play to his strengths and put his best offensive scoring team on the floor and let them all play 32 plus minutes a game baring foul trouble. We can stop other teams bench by bringing in Shane and Chuck to put on the other teams best bench players and shut them down. Mike James will still be a 40% shooter off the bench overall for us and give us a consistant 12 plus points per game off the bench.
    Someone else off the bench just has to step up and score. But if we start the starting lineup that I have given, ALL OF THEM WILL AVERAGE DOUBLE DIGIT POINTS PLAYING 32 PLUS MINUTES A GAME!
     
  9. blastaway

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    Agree with you that Scola should be starting and playing 30 plus minutes a game. His shot is important to making teams not double Yao so much. But I don't think Hayes is a scrub, he will be an excellant stopper and rebounder coming off the bench. Just needs to play around 15 minutes or so only.

    Rafer sucks and needs to be sent to the Alaska Basketball Association. Snyder is trying to hard to do anything because of not getting playing time at all. His strengths are driving to the basket and on the break. Hopefully he will realize this or become a fixture on the bench again. :( Mike will be a shot first scorer always. We will appreciate it over the season as his percentage improves and his minutes are limited only to when we want him to do that. He will shoot 44% or better for the season once his rythmn and rotation is solidified, probably.

    I agree. Let him start and watch the floor open up more, especially with Tracy on the floor at the same time. He will need two or three games of time to get his playing legs completely under him.

    Totally agree 100% with this. He needs to punish those who want to treat him like a females private parts! He can be a stud if he ever starts acting like one all the time.

    Aaron Brooks is a better 3 point shooter than even Steve Novak. Aaron is the best 3 point shooter on the team, and everyone on the team and Matt Bullard all know it! He is also the fastest person with the ball on the team and everyone knows it! If he 12-15 minutes a game, he will average 8-10 points a game; but be a defensive liability for us. Still, I say give him the minutes.

    Most people in the NBA get stuffed by Amare when challenging him one on one like that! But Kirk is best when playing to his strengths, not shooting 3 pointers!

    I think the rockets should do what Clyde said during the game; not let the open man run the lanes unopposed to receive those long passes. Get in their way, slow them down, not just try to stop them once they have the ball. Deny the passer on out of bounds from making a clean pass all the way down the court. Pick up every man FULL court to keep them from making the easy outlet pass. That's how you stop a fast breaking team that scores a layup on you 3 seconds after you score! You can't just run down the court and then start looking for your man! Pick up the closest player to you and make it hard for him to receive a pass all the way down the court until you force them to get into their half court set; then match up. That will force them into more turnovers, which they do anyway.

    I think we need homecourt advantage in the first round again, but I do agree that it is more important how we are playing after the Alstar break.

    Just wanted to add my 2 cents to your comments. Hope you didn't mind.
     
  10. blastaway

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    Im with you for most of the way. But I would still start Bonzi instead of Shane. Bonzi will be a killer on the boards (even though he will then miss the layup :eek: ), if the other team puts their best defender on Tracy. Shane then can come in off the bench to defend their best bench scorer; Stackhouse against Dallas on Wednesday.
     
  11. blastaway

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    Exactly, he wasn't out of shape, and as you said, all people who know basketball know that you have to play to be in GAME shape. Good observations.

    Did you notice that he is learning to take the charges like Shane and Chuck though? What did he have, 2 or 3 charges called for him in the game? Too bad that isn't a stat!

    Couldn't agree more with all of this!

    EXACTLY! That's why we are here now commenting, somebody is going to read it! :D Rick can be helped by his fans if he doesn't take it personally and let his EGO get in the way. We knew before this game and before game 1 that RAFER SUCKED and Steve was our best option for success at point guard on this team. Who knows, maybe Aaron will prove us wrong! :eek: But it definitely won't be Wafer Rafer proving us wrong! :D

    Peace out!
     
  12. blastaway

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    Wow...that's a heck of an observation! :eek: I hadn't noticed that so I can't say if it is true or not. But I guarantee you that I will be looking for it in the next game against Dallas to see if what you say is correct!
     
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    Good observation. I hope that next time we play the Suns that RA gets his team to pick them up after every missed and made shot FULL COURT! Since Yao can't run down the court as fast as them, have him to shadow the inbounds passer for the Suns. That would make it very hard to pass all the way down the court accurately over a 7'6" guy. Then have the other play their man, or any man FULL court. They will either make lots of turnovers with bad long court passes, or they will eventually have to make short inbounds passes and dribble the ball all the way up the court with a defender riding them and get into their half court set; which we still haven't learned how to stop! :mad: Oh well. Just outscore them!
     
  14. blastaway

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    I would agree with you man. If some of you people don't have the VISION to see beyond one, two or three games, then just be quiet and wait until the season is over to either gloat or whin! :D
     
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    Good point. I have noticed that the last three years against Phoenix also. Do you think the league is tryign to sabotage the Rockets by almost always scheduling them to play the Suns on the second night of a back to back? :rolleyes: Or is it just where they are located? :confused:
     
  16. hermbob

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    One thing that really bothers me is that McGrady doesn't sit with his team on the bench. You won't see guys like D. Wade not sitting with their team when they're not playing.
     
  17. mrm32

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    Well he did just have a baby girl a couple of days ago. Maybe he's just spending the time with his family until he's ready to return
     
  18. hermbob

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    Dude was at the arena, apparently trying to convince everybody to let him play. So he either went home, or stayed in the locker room. Either way is B.S.

    Besides, he's NEVER sat with his team when he's not playing.
     
  19. doublehh03

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    now we're finding ways to criticize the guy we can't win without?

    as long as his heart is with the team, that's all that matters and it is.
     
  20. zhao1109

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    I am second that. even pls lock this tang0 ROOKIE....
    some type of r****d person from somewhere
     

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