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ClutchFans Game Thread: Spurs @ Rockets 2/9/2004

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 8, 2004.

  1. michecon

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    Who's to blame that Ginobli went in there in teh first place?

    Well, I don't think you have an impartial mind to figure that out.
     
  2. farhan007

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    again read my post. JVG not steve, designed that play to be a pick and roll for a pass of to pagget. The pick and roll failled thanks to the defense of the spurs. At that point there was 6 seconds left. Now with six seconds left with no timouts, and your down by three, are you seriously going for a 2! Lets say he did. By the time he finishes the layup, there would be about 3 to 4 seconds left. Then the rockets would have to foul. THat would take 1 or 2 seconds of the shot clock. Now you are left with 2 to 3 seconds left to run the WHOLE court and make a magical shot.
     
  3. gucci888

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    Exactly.

    JVG always wants to take control of the team, therefore he tends to calls timeouts right after timeouts, and so on. But PLEASE SAVE 1 TIME OUT, just 1.

    As bad as Steve's shot was at the end of the game, the Spurs didn't allow anything. Having watching the play twice after the game, you see JJ and Cat being defended like glue and not moving, they defended the pick-roll perfectly and thats why they won the game.

    As dissapointed as I am, they are still the defending world champs and have the best D in the league.
     
  4. Alibabayomama

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    well, usually when Yao shoots a lot, he gets a lot of points with a good FG%, unlike other players we know who get 20 pts. with 25 shots.:)

    Even though Yao shot badly the other day against Atlanta, I still liked the way Yao kept shooting. Before, he would stop shooting a defer to his teammates everytime.
     
  5. farhan007

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    im just being hypothetical. What are going going to do with that little time left. Everyone is covered. All the spurs defenders are up on the 3 line. Cant you just give credit to the best defensive team in the league?
     
  6. feishen

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    We need a pg that can defend and pass. That's all. I dont care how we going to get him, but we got to.
    The whole world seems turn against SF tonight. It's interesting to see how he reponds on Wednesday. We need him to beat lakers. Right now, we just have to live with what we have.
     
  7. real_egal

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    I guess he doesn't have much to left to do if there was only 6 secs left. But the problem is that he had the ball for another 9 secs before that time point. Then I guess he had a lot to do. If everyone knows that you are only have one option - to shoot the 3, how can you get that chance, at all? 15 secs in NBA is a lot time, I mean they are pros. It should just be automatically figured out for the zilion times similar situation. Although you need a three, trying to set the PnR, if doesn't work, there should be no stop or holding back, get a quick two at first. Then fall right away. Remember those Reggie Time? 7 points in 8 secs?
     
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    those 9 seconds, steve was trying to work the pick and trying to see if JJ or Cat were getting open. But all of that failed.
     
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    You know what pissed me off....Francis had the defender beat and it looked like he was gonna drive it in for the layup. Jeebus, that really made me angry because then, he crosses it over and pulls it back, dribbles out the clock and ends the game with a horrible off balanced shot.
     
  10. scutmb

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    Its'time to go to sleep. I wish I can get some ambian. ;-)
     
  11. feishen

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    Right on. It's funny to see people here tried so hard to defend SF on the last play. I might buy into that if I see him play like that tonight for the first time. Like Cluth said, SF developes ISO crap into habbit at crunch time. Ball never leaves his had. So no matter how you look at it, you gotta know SF wants the last shot all the way, I mean all the way.
     
  12. farhan007

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    didnt you read my post. IF steve made the 2, we would still be down by 1, with 5 seconds left. Then the rockets, since JVG burned all the timeouts, would have to run the full lenght of the court.
     
  13. farhan007

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    you dont remember the Bulls game.
     
  14. real_egal

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    Besides, we didn't even need that last play. This was a totally winnable game, but those turnovers and bad shots hurt us. I don't get it that those sports center flashing crunch time "great" shots. You don't need to put yourself into that kind of situation. Making two more easy shots during the 47 min 45 secs, we already won the game. Honestly, only a few well-played games with few mistakes in the NBA history, those big shots made sense.
     
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    how many times has this happened this year and even more last year...horrible execution at the end of the game ending up in a wtf type of shot that no one can live with..
     
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    Man, you have so many excuses for Francis!

    That was a dumb play, he had plenty of time to make something happen. But he decided to dribble dribble dribble. Quit coming up with excuses for him!!
     
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    Rockets better get a guy who can actually hit a 3 consistently if Yao is going to play low post. Yao is kicking it out to guys who are bricking it all over the place. Someone tell Steve Kerr he can get a roster spot on the Rockets.
     
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    That last play aside, it was a hard fought game from the Rockets. The positives are that we know Yao can compete at that higher level against the upper echelon teams. He's put up great numbers against Minny, LA, and the Spurs this season. He wasn't rebounding too much tonight but barring some fatigue he really had that hook shot going and was making some great low post moves. I personally am glad he's not a bottom feeder that only plays big against weak teams and am glad he's capable of competing against some of the best teams in the league. While he's not yet consistent doing that, it's definitely nice to see that.

    I think we also play Duncan very well all things considered. He put up 28/10 but he wasn't attacking the boards much all game, and was held in check until he threw his hissy fit to the refs. As small as Weatherspoon is against Duncan he actually did an excellent job defending against him. Something I expect the coaching staff to look at the next time the Rockets match up against the Spurs. Cato also played admirably against Duncan again holding him in check and keeping him off the offensive glass for the most part.

    Another thing I noticed is the Rockets might want to consider using that small ball lineup that put the Rockets back in the thick of the Hawks game and in the Spurs game. Weatherspoon really makes great kickout passes and the Rockets push the ball up the court so much faster when we got a small lineup out there. We also appear to score in bunches so much better. In addition that fact that we play small doesn't exactly hurt us given our help defensive style. We pretty much double team whoever has the ball and make our switches the whole way around preventing a good look from any angle of the court.

    The unforced turnovers were killer. Duncan just seems to have MoT's number. I remember in the first two games of the season MoT getting stuffed under the basket by Duncan numerous times with MoT whining to the refs with the no calls. Tonight he had 3 turnovers. One terrible cross court pass that resulted in a layup for the Spurs. MoT hustling for an offensive board down the baseline and throwing it to a Spur that resulted in Tim Duncan nailing a midrange jumper. And then another turnover that just frustrated me to no end in the 2nd half when he had an open 20 foot jumper but tried to force a pass into Yao who was I believe triple teamed in the paint. He had 4 turnovers, but those were the 3 that stuck out most in my mind. Then the bad shots from Francis, the 3 pointers taken too soon by Mobley early in the 1st half with barely any of the shot clock taken off.

    Another unspoken non-contributor for tonights game was JJ. He wasn't hitting much from the floor but still managed to get 11 points, and play solid D. He had open looks that he missed, but he's one of those players that just hits me in the way that he won't shoot that way the next time the Rox meet the Spurs, similar to his performance against the Kings at home whereas in the previous meeting JJ much like everyone on the Rockets was having a nightmare of a game that night.


    Those are the positives and negatives I noticed that I didn't see get much attention. The Spurs are a good perimeter defensive team and it's no coincidence that the Rockets shot as poorly as they did behind the arc. All that means is they need to make the adjustments to settle for the midrange jumper instead of going for fools gold 3 point attempts that just aren't falling that night.

    The funny thing is despite all this complacency about turnovers the Rockets only had 16. The downside was that the Spurs converted on those turnovers on almost every opportunity, and that alot of the turnovers could of been avoided had everyone on the team just used their head more.


    Edit:

    Just saw that play. With 5 seconds to go, after that Padgett pick JJ was wide open for a 3 at the other end of court absolutely uncontested with no Spur in sight.
     
  19. rocketman113

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    yeah, JJ made the shot, if Francis had shot it we probably lose....
     
  20. ayears

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    The pity of it!:(

    It's a close game. We won in rebs but lost in bench points. What a bad decision SF made in last 20 seconds! We should have beaten SA. But I'm proud we fought till the last second!
     

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