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ClutchFans Game Thread: Spurs @ Rockets 2/9/2004

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 8, 2004.

  1. Coach AI

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    You do? I don't.

    We've been here before. And it's not so much where we are...as how we've got there. We're playing the same kind of stupid basketball that has plagued us for the last few years; that's the concern. If that isn't corrected, we can be 'contending' for the 7th spot for the next 10 years, for what it's worth.
     
  2. DavidS

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    Not every quarter. But rather a natural inclination to play a certain way.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    I just watched it again...2 LONG steps, but not 3...Ginobli is an odd player....his steps are a lot like Lewis Lloyds used to be...long and changing direction during the steps...very effective.

    I would KILL to have Manu on our team....

    Hey...isn't he a free agent this year? And I believe as a 2nd round pick the Spurs can not offer him much.....

    DD
     
  4. canoner2002

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    glad someone else noticed it. I pointed it a few pages back. Ginobili is walking 20 feet holding the ball. And he often change directions too. That has to be made illegal.
     
  5. vj23k

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    Absolutely nothing.

    He made a couple of key baskets, but he also missed a few. There were at least two possessions in which he made no attempt to get to the basket or to feed Yao.

    I am usually first in line to defend Steve, but there's nothing to defend here. He was outplayed by both Manu and Jesus Parker. He simply played a terrible game, and it was one in a growing line of many. That's the most disturbing part. Just when it looks like he is finally retaining the one ability most of us give him credit for, his shot begins to falter again.

    Frustrating, but I'm still not close to getting in the back of the trade him line.
     
  6. eman

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    I can't believe I just saw SF say, "I'd take that shot again." His trade value is plummeting terribly. Heck, I'm not sure we could get the And 1 tour's Professor for him now...
     
  7. Uprising

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    Man, that was a terrible final position. It was almost as bad as Orlando's last night where Strickland handed the ball to Fisher for the win.

    Ugh. I wanted the win....:(
     
  8. jopatmc

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    I would bet that if Steve drove to the hole quickly that the Spurs would have either: 1) let him have the layup (doubtful) 2) fouled him (probable) 3) collapsed on him so that someone would have been open for the jumper (probable).

    Why he dillied down the whole 15 seconds is beyond me. Very frustrating to watch tonight.

    By the way, for you all that are talking about Steve hitting all those 3's at the end of games or quarters last year. Those plays were designed off the half court set with Steve coming wide open off a screen set by Yao or some other big man. Those were set plays drawn up by Rudy. Do you really think in the NBA where all the players and scouts know who's who that the whole league is gonna ignore that play and never defend it? They just can't run the same play over and over again, every season, and expect that it will work. I saw one play earlier in the season where the Rockets set that up and 2 defenders came out on Steve. It was a disaster.

    The one thing I would like to know about tonight's game is did Steve do what the coach wanted done the last 15 seconds of the game. Did Van Gundy want Steve to dribble down and take the last shot a 3? If so, then I think that is pretty lousy coaching to set up a play for Steve to shoot when obviously SA is gonna be all over him. If not, then Steve's bad. He should know better. I have a tendacy to think that Steve did his own thing there which if so, indicates a pretty serious problem with his coach. Ridiculous play after such a hard fought ballgame.
     
  9. canoner2002

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    they should change the rule. No holding the ball and changing directions between two steps. Otherwise, why cannot Yao take one more steps, then he can get a lot more layups and doesn't need to take jumpers.
     
  10. Uprising

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    Ther was one part in the game where Gino obviously took 3 steps while driving directly under the hoop, he then passed it to Horry who nailed a trey from the corner. I watched it over on TIVO. It was 3 steps, almost 4.


    Man JVG looked so upset at the end of the game. He had his eyes closed and his face clinched (frowning) with his fingers over his eyes on his nose. He was not a happy camper. Either was Stevie with his terrible finish. He took his shirt off and tossed it angerily while still walking off the floor.
     
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    I love Manu's hustle, but he is quickly developing into Karl Stockton. The constant reaches, the hand checking, the flops. I also hate the way he tries to draw charging fouls by setting up behind people with their backs turned to him and setting his feet .00001 seconds before they receive the ball. He has been called for the blocking foul every time I've seen him attempt this.

    I say this, but I also realize that I would love to have him, and that there is no way in hell the Spurs would let him go. I would even venture to say that he is the best guard on the Spurs(Take that, Jesus).
     
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    He's not helping himself with the after game interview. He bascially said JVG wanted him to push it up the court, that's what he did but he didn't think going for the 2 and then fouling was smart because they'd probably turn it over(making excuses) and then he went on to say he'd take that shot again. He needs to get his head straight. God, could he have at least said he'd take a 3 again, but not that same off balanced no time left on the clock shot.:mad:


    Also, I think the Chuckster is right, Van Gundy needs to relent a little. He brought up the show time lake show and how they ran the ball and slowed it down for Kareem, they didn't just stick to half court basketball. JVG needs to call up Riley for some advice.
     
  13. Severe Rockets Fan

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    Great game. LOL. Steve played well during the comeback at the end of the game before he missed his last 2 three point attempts...but Steve was a BIG reason WHY we had to come back. Do you just not see that?
     
  14. DavidS

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    Ginobli reminds me of Jalen Rose (G) type player. Does a lot very well. Smart too. Although, not as spectacular. He has a Drexler type game on the fast break too.
     
  15. Severe Rockets Fan

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    Steve and Cuttino are too incompetent to run a fast break effectively, they've showed that already. Thats probably why JVG doesn't want them to run.
     
  16. IROC it

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    SF missed the last shot (3) at the half...

    SF missed the last shot (3) at the end...

    Make those, we win by three.






    But I saw Yao act like casper on d when Ginobli and co. went in without a foul and scored at will.

    Good effort, I guess.

    No killer instinct.



    We needed this one.


    We need Wednesday worse.
     
  17. canoner2002

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    SF just doesn't say he is wrong and keep saying "i will do it again". why cannot he just say "it was probably a mistake and I will think about not to do it again"?
     
  18. MFW2310

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    Every goddam time ZRB gets optimistic, we lose. Damn you ZRB!!!
     
  19. DavidS

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    I disagreed with the Chuckster on that. The fast-break is a learned skill. Our players that have the ball in their hands don't know how to execute it. So, we can't just start running and then just expect to execute it.

    The reason that it worked in LA under Pat Riley was because he had a player named "Magic" that KNEW how to get others involved.

    Also, running the fast-break is not exclusive to HOFers only, because guys like Bibby and Nash know how run it too. So, what I'm saying is that Riley had that skill at his disposal (Magic). JVG does not (not even a Bibby or Nash).
     
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    Awesomely put.
     

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