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ClutchFans Game Thread: Spurs @ Rockets 2/9/2004

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 8, 2004.

  1. ron413

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    I bet Coach called a play and the other players were waiting for the selfish prick we call Stevie Franchise to pass the ball off to execute a legitimate play.

    14 seconds left- Stevie Franchise dribble
    13- SF dribble
    12- SF dribble
    11- SF dribble
    10- SF dribble
    9- SF dribble
    8-SF dribble
    7- SF dribble
    6- SF dribble
    5- SF dribble
    4- SF dribble
    3- SF dribble
    2- Insert any SF crazy shot attempt description you desire
    1- Game Over.
    0- You lose.

    The ball should have touched at least one other set of hands during those 14 seconds so that an advantage could be established and at least a good shot attempt.

    Steve just does not trust his teammates, not a matter of his teammates failing him in the last seconds of the game.
     
  2. JoeBarelyCares

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    We could start JJ at the point. Move Steve to 2. Trade Mobley for a SF.
     
  3. arif1127

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    I'm not sure if it is he doesn't trust his teammates, its that he trusts himself THAT much.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    I don't know why that is, I mean Steve has failed about 2/3rds of the time he even shoots the ball...and he has a horrific assist to Turnover ratio....

    Let's face it, Steve is a gifted athlete who has no clue how to play winning basketball.

    DD
     
  5. DavidS

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    No. But he wanted to shoot, no matter what.

    And the opponents know that. So the stay home on the 3 pointers.
     
  6. francis 4 prez

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    something tells me it has less to do with the masterful tony parker and more to do with that 7 foot mvp standing behind him. parker doesn't have to worry about people burning him and can be up on them.

    oh, and steve is shooting bad this season obviously. it's not like he sucked it up for tonight only or something.

    still, he was a huge reason we even got back in the game. i think he had at least 3 of his assists in the fourth and at least 6 points and some rebounds, and not just the fall into your hands type but the fight in the middle of 3 people for them type.

    the last play sucked, ok. but all he could've done differently was drive. the spurs would have never left someone open. if you're up 3 and double team a guy who still would have a tough runner over horry, then SA is stupider than i thought. at best, he hits a layup, we foul the spurs and then do it all over again, except with 5 seconds and not 15.


    as for 6 people shooting better SM, no one but cuttino shoots better and can create their own shot. maybe steve could've given it up but i never saw anyone come to take it from him. i think cuttino was in the corner. steve basically got left out on an island by jvg not leaving timeouts and his teammates standing around. the drive for 2 was our best option and it was imperfect at best (since we'd still be trailing) and it wasn't like he had a wide open layup. i'm sure timmy was lurking. bad play, but hardly indicative of selfishness or much stupidity (just a little).

    i seriously don't see how we blow timeouts so fast. an assistant just needs to start telling jvg he's got 1 left when we actually have 2 or something to force him to save one. when you're not exactly an offensive machine, not having timeouts at the end kind of sucks.
     
  7. DavidS

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    Yep.
     
  8. thadeus

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    Francis needs to be traded.

    I hate to say it, but I'm saying it.
     
  9. arif1127

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    I disagree.
     
  10. francis 4 prez

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    no, that would require the spurs to be inexplicably stupid and double a guy taking a two when they're up by 3 just so they can leave a 3 point shooter open. give me a good reason they would've done that.


    I bet Coach called a play and the other players were waiting for the selfish prick we call Stevie Franchise to pass the ball off to execute a legitimate play


    what magical play did you see called? i saw padgett try an ineffective pick that was just switched. i didn't see anyone in the corner all of a sudden pop out the top the way jj did in the bulls game. i didn't see any movement except right at the top and once they switched it's not like the pass would've done anything. padgett would've just either froze and tried to get it back to steve or thrown up just as much of a desperation shot. if someone had moved or been open that would be one thing, but they didn't.


    only steve can get slammed this bad after playing a great game that was part of a very good national tv game.
     
  11. vj23k

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    Tough loss that could have been a win. Can't complain too much though...the better team won.

    We can only hope that they(Steve, Mo, and Cuttino primarily, who have taken it up the you know where from the Spurs for years now) take it to heart and come out firing on Wednesday.
     
  12. thadeus

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    Yes, I know. Many people disagree.

    I still think he has to go if the Rockets are ever going to be a great team.
     
  13. Clutch

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    Come on guys... we are forgetting the obvious: Francis does this at the end of EVERY quarter when the same situation applies. Hey, when you get the ball with 6-8 seconds left, I can understand an iso ... break down the defender and try to make something happen in a tough timeframe.

    But Francis CREATES these timeframes in these situations. 10 seconds, 15 seconds... 24 seconds. It doesn't matter. Francis does this crap every time, as if it's a "lets take a wild stab at it" possession. It's not when there is that much time left. You can try to argue that Steve wasn't doing that in this case... that there just wasn't anything else available. But he's done this too many times to give him that benefit of the doubt.

    This was on national TV after his much-publicized dispute with Van Gundy. This isn't going to help his case any publically... people know what's going on.
     
  14. canoner2002

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    No matter what, SF is not playing like a max player. The last play sucks, but that is not the only problem. He dribbled the ball too much and launched two air balls in the first quarter. He doesn't have the leadership that players look up to. And he gets frustrated easily and then slamming the ball all over.
     
  15. Clutch

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    I'm asking seriously here: Other than 11 rebounds, what was great about Steve's game tonight?
     
  16. DavidS

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    This is not the first time this has happened...

    And I'm not just talking about the end of games. But end of quarters, end of halvs and throughout the 24 second clock.

    I seem to remember about 5 years of this type of play.
     
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    I distinctly remember an alley oop to end a quarter a few games ago, francis to cato, so he doens't do it EVERY quarter. And I also remember last season when steve hit like 5 crazy arse 3 pointers at the end of games to win or go to overtime. I just think everyone is expecting too much too soon this season, i think the fact that the rox are 7 games above .500 and in a tie for 7th in the conference is huge. the teams above the rox are better teams, so i thik the rox are doing pretty well.
    No doubt the rox are frustrating as hell to watch and root for(due to to's and stupid plays) but they are still doing pretty well this season.
     
  18. Roc Paint

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    Sad state of affairs indeed.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    6-18 shooting for 33%
    11 rebounds
    6 assists
    4 turnovers
    18 points

    That is hardly a GREAT game......he played ok in stretches but the job of the pG is to make the game easier for your teamates....Steve should be FIRED from that job because frankly he SUCKS at it.

    DD
     
  20. MFW2310

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    How many goddam times are they going to let Ginoblli take 3 steps before they call it travel. Just watch how blatantly obvious it was that last basket he scored against us. NBA refs make me sick.
     

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