ClutchFans Game Thread: Sixers @ Rockets 1/29/2007

i've disagreed with many of the things you spew about in your reactionary ways on this board, but you're on point here. Good post.

I respect JVG's coaching abilities even though I don't agree with all of his philosophy.

JVG is a professional, but he does use the media and he does manipulate in a way....he's like Brian Billick in that manner. I don't think JVG is any worse than Phil Jackson. Rudy T was the greatest in terms of just being a good guy. JVG is no Rudy T.

 

Maybe we got spoiled by Rudy T?

And who you calling reactionary?



DD

 

Player have to keep it in house. Coaches have more leeway, because they run the team. When Rafer has an awful game and Van Gundy comments on that I never expect to hear any complaints here. There is a huge difference between a coach saying stuff to the media then when a player b****es to the media.

A coach needs to have the respect of his team. A coach needs to let the players know that he's the one in charge. When a player complains he is threatening the coaches authority by undermining him to the media. If players agree with the annoyed player it could cause a division in the locker room.

I don't think a coach should fully bash a player to the press- like if JVG said that V-Span sucks and is an awful player that will never make it, but a coach has every right to let the player know what they are doing wrong. He's the coach.

JVG saying that V-Span played bad or whatever doesn't cause any division in the locker room. If it does it would only cause hatred from the player that is not playing well, which would be foolish since Van Gundy is fair and will speak up if ANYONE plays bad. When V-Span insults the coach he is threatening his power and grip on the team. There is a huge difference. If you play in the league expect to get insults in the press from your coach. He's your coach; he's your adviser. If your a player keep it in house or private with the coach.

A coach needs control of his team and players complaining to the press- especially 2nd round picks- can hurt the team because it can cause a division in the locker room or resentment. Then before you know it everyone will be complaining to the media. And if your a player and you don't want to hear your coach tell the press that you did something that wasn't perfect during the game then I don't think you belong in the league.

 

Vspan shut his own mouth after playing horrible games in yesterdays game and tonights game!!!!! The reason reserves get garbage time is to fully take adventage of the minutes they get in order to earn more PT in the future instead vspan screws himself over in few garbage minutes he gets!! same goes for JLIII but atleast he doesn't complain to media. I'm glad JVG is not listening to vspan and some fans and doing whats best for the team!!!!! major props to JVG!!!! this was probably one of the worst if not THE worst fourth quarter we've played so far!


Great win!!!

 

Sounds like College.

The NBA is a players league, always has been always will be......

Players are getting coaches run out all the time.....ALL THE TIME !!

I just don't agree that JVG should toss anyone under the bus..

I have no problem with him saying the reserves stunk in the 4th qurrter, or him saying he expects them to play well and hustle.

I do have a problem with him whining to the media about players coming to him about more playing time....that is uncalled for and unprofessional...and it is one of the reasons that I get pissed at JVG.

DD

 

I'm not a VSpan advocate, otherwise my sig would be different, but JVG has gone too far.

I feel it's gotten personal between them. That "McGrady" quote he attributed to VSpan was something definately a coach would make public unless you were out to shame a player. Where's the player management skills?

Just noting VSpan's video interviews, even if he did say that, it would've been out of context and not what JVG had spun.

 

LOL at JVG on VSPAN:"The forth quarter is totally unacceptable obviously, that's why I don't want to hear anybody else to tell me they want to play more"

 

Holding a grudge? C'mon if V-Span wants more playing time then he needs to step up his play. Rafer despite many on here calling for his head had 12 pts and 9 assists and I believe not more than 3 TO's. That's efficiency! If V-Span starts letting his play do his talking and quit his b****ing then he will get more PT. JVG is a competitor and V-Span is a competitor this pow-wow with the media was inevitable! Remember Bonzi vs JVG? How did that turn out? Oh, and now Bonzi is rounding into form and showing he's got some game. V-Span needs to seriously polish up his game. Don't know what is up with JLIII. I was hoping he would become a good player for us but, I guess his game is lacking at the pro level. It's a shame!

 

no he's not. tmac was listed as a guard when the all-star ballots came out, look it up. he's putting nash ahead of mcgrady. as for yao, walton's a fan of the flashy kind of basketball, hence the amare pick.

 

Rafer had 6 turnovers tonight- and shot 50% from the field for the first time in over 6 weeks.

Bonzi is getting a chance to play on the court.....others are not.

I agree that V-Span and JL3 need to improve...but I also think improvement comes with court time...not on the bench.

 

yeah it's superstar players that get coaches run out; not bench players.

V-Span coming to him for more minutes? People are talking about JVG spinning things. This is spin. He wasn't complaining because V-Span came to him. He was complaining because V-Span went to the press.

 

I can't believe people still talk about V-Span this much. The guy really needs to step up his play, as did nearly all the players who "contributed" in the 4th. That quarter was just terrible to watch, and really said something about the state of our bench. Granted, these are guys playing some cleanup minutes, but man, if a few of those shots hadn't fallen, suddenly we could have been down to just over a 10 point lead, down from 40.

What I couldn't understand at all was Lucas throwing up jumpers with over 15 seconds left on the shot clock. We should have been taking our time, eating up the clock, and trying to play smart basketball to finish out the game. It wasn't time to impress the coach or anybody else. The game is done, and their job was to keep it that way.

Other than that though, great win from a great team. Sure, it was just the 76ers, but what is encouraging to me is that we are soundly defeating the teams that we are supposed to beat, something that I haven't been able to say about this team in some time. Go Rox!

 

But he complained TO THE PRESS !! Which is EXACTLY the same thing that V-Span did.

2 wrongs do not make a right, and JVG should be the bigger man here.....

He talked about how he understood V-Span's frustrations etc....then he turns around and does exactly the same thing V-Span did.....

Unbelievable...

DD

 

JVG has said this before and he will keep saying this... he will do what is best for the team and play guys who will win the game!!! he is a coach who emphasizes in WIN more than anything else!!! I think it would be best for vspan to play in D-league that way he will improve alot and also will get a chance to reduce his TO problem but that is out of the question so no matter what fans say about vspan good or bad, I just dont think he will get more minutes rest of the season. Maybe next season if he improves over the offseason.

 

Everybody understands how clear the message JVG sent to VSpan in the press conference. I agree with the majority that it's time VSpan calmed down, worked hard and let his game to prove he's a valuble asset to the team.

I remember the other day Tony Parker said in a post-game interview, he said he wanted to play more in his style but Pop wanted him to play more disciplined team basketball. He said he would find a way to balance these. I'd say it's really smart respond and correct move.

Parker is from Europe and VSpan can definitely learn from him. If VSpan thinks he's talent enough like Parker, he should be able to find a way to play JVG's expected basketball while still playing his strengh, even given a short period of playing time. Otherwise it means you VSpan is not good enough in this league and still have a long way to go. Why wasting your time b****ing? Maybe VSpan should have a long talk with Yao about adjusting and improving in the rookie season.

 

but jojo is right about one thing... "Bill Walton and Steve Kerr are ****in douches"

 

This V-Span talk is completely out of control. Our #11 player is getting more discussion than anyone else on the team, including Tracy and Yao. It's amazing how scrub players like V-Span and Stro can inflame hopes and emotions beyond the point of sanity.

 

Rockets good.

Sixers really bad.

Game over at halftime.

Not much more needs to be said.

 

JVG's the coach. Coaches can tell the press when a player is wrong or has played bad. They are in charge. What do you want him to do? Say how great everyone is after every single game. He made a comment and didn't mention any names. We know what was implied but he's the coach! Hes the boss. Employees don't tell their boss how to o their job. The boss tells the employees what to do and they have to put up or shut up. If a player complains to the media about a coach then he is fair game for a coach to respond and let everyone know who's the boss. A player shouldn't dish out criticism to his boss if he can't take it. A coach has every right to tell the press his feelings about what a player did right or wrong.

 

LOL, imagine if the Rox had lsot tonight.

I mean jesus h. christ, The Rox OBLITERATE the sixers, everybody gets their wish and the golden boys play (and suck) and STILL the peanut gallery keeps whining about them.

Enough.