ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Warriors 11/29/2007

i'm talking about kenny. he said he picked deron b/c of wins and success.

 

I was at the game tonight, and what really suprised me was BD's strength. One play, MJ7 was guarding him and his body was at a 45 degree angle and BD was still pushing him backwards.

I also think the refs were allowing the game to be very physical. They were constantly pushing Yao and Tracy out of position, expecially Tracy. Most of the time his body was bent over at the waste cause they were pushing on his back so hard.

SF never looked the same after the fall. You could see him stretch his back at every time out, and when the ball went out of bounds.

In the end, GS shooting was incredible. It seemed they could not miss, especially Harrington.

I was also amazed at how controlled SF played. Looks like he is buying into the fact that he is no longer the star and trying to fit in. BD guarded him alot, and I was hoping he would drive a few more times as BD was in foul trouble, but alas he did not.

Anyway, my $0.02!

 

ill admit i disagree with my own statement.

let me rephrase.

baron does so much for his team, in terms of rebounding, steals and gaining creating possessions AND he has the ability to finish them no matter who's guarding him. kidd and nash are better playmakers/passers, know the passing lanes and set their teammates up for easy scores more than baron does (even though baron creates so many open threes for jackson, barnes and harrington which is a huge part of the warriors attack). nash can shoot and score when he is ignored, or when the defenses are taking away his passing options. he is a step above kidd for that reason. nash and kidd cannot create their own opportunities off the dribble for themselves to score like BD can, and BD only slightly trails them in creating easy shots for teammates. the steals and rebounds he gets create extra possessions for the team, and for this reason he does more for his teammates than kidd/nash do.

 

Very good points. I have to agree with you on the fact that Kidd is the better leader and makes his teammates better than Davis does.

I just feel that Davis is the most gifted overall among the elite PGs.

Davis lacks almost nothing when healthy. Even his defense is as good as Kidd's if not better. Kidd is not a great individual defender but plays good team defense.

Kidd is not a good shooter and lacks the speed of Davis and Nash.

Davis is also quicker than Kidd while he has the same physical size and strength to be a great rebounding guard. His size also make him an elite post up guard like Billups.

Davis is a great passer too. He is only a notch below Kidd and Nash in this one category.

Nash clearly has weak points like Kidd.

Nash is a terrible defender and rebounder and lacks physical strength as an advantage. Nash can finish around the rim but not like Davis. Davis can post up players as well as drive strong through traffic. He can also shoot well from outside. He can basically score from anywhere.

In the end, Davis is just the most complete PG in the game.

 

This is what you wrote:

...b/c deron advanced deep last yr and paul never made the playoffs, most people would choose deron

 

got me there

but i still think when you win, it's easier to make a case for that player.

 

I agree with everything except the last statement. Kidd grabs as many or more boards and gets his share of steals, too.

I still think Nash and Kidd do slightly more for their teammates than Davis. Davis also does a lot to make his teammates and his team better but Nash and Kidd reign supreme in this category.

The reason I put Davis ahead of Nash and Kidd is the overall package. There is basically no weakness in his skill set when he is healthy. The same can not be said for Nash or Kidd.

 

No doubt about that. Winning is always a major factor in these types of arguments, whether or not it is valid.

It is like the Kobe vs T-Mac debate. Many Kobe supporters argue he has 3 rings. But, when you step back and look at what he has done over the last few seasons, it is like a mirror image of T-Mac in Orlando. Scoring titles and 1st round exits.

The bottom line is that it is hard to accurately evaluate individual players in team sports.

 

I just got back from the game. pretty bad. I even waited at the rockets bus just to get an autograph and they snubbed me. the only people that actually gave me a wave were carl laundry and steve francis. dikembe was right in front of me on the phone and tmac, bonzi and deke, rode in a lincoln navigator, while the others went on the bus. i wonder i could of gotten an autograph if they had won. to bad i wpnt be seein them here aanymore this year ill try to post my pics but im only 17 so my picture takin skills are pretty bad.

 

ooh yeah during the warmups and shootaround i noticed that laundt=ry was shooting from three and makin them. i didnt know he had that kind of range.and aaron brooks put a nice move on bonzi and luther started laughin

 

outscored in all 4 quarters ; ;

 

Yao getting owned on offense at one end is not the only problem. Seems like he is also getting owned on the defensive end with harrington sitting outside. this is a problem he will deal with for his entire career (remind me of how poorly he can guard boozer or okur).

 

As I have said earlier, this game is a real test of fronting. The Suns did not
front Yao as agressive as GSW. We failed to execute any effective game plan
to made them pay or abandon the aggressive fronting. The key is to score
in %FG in driving or outside to made them pay but we did not.

 

Rockets played badly today!


But, I have to blame all on the head coach, definitely!!!!!!!

Yes, we couldn't make a lot of free throw today. Yao had too many turnovers. So what?

Remember the moment in the 2nd quarter when rockets came back and led by 3 points? I think that is the key moment rockets to crush warriors, because we just got a little bit back on the track. However, at that time at that time at that time, the coach A put luther head in court and let him hold the ball? Are you kidding me? You just kicked luther out of the rotation and then immediately put him back even at the very key moment. You can see what luther did..... being blocked, missing shots, cann't defense well.

Also remember the game versus dallas? We led 17 points in the 3rd quarter. Then, luther head is put in the court. what happend? Back-to-back-to-back turn overs. This helped dallas make a run to come back. ......

I don't meant to be blame luther head too much. He is the kind of player who needs coach to tell him every details in the court. JVD did this (only shoot 3 points or lay up with the help from yao), so luther is pretty good last year (only for regular season). But, Rick A didn't do this. So, Luther is lost........

When we play against teams in western conference, we need sort of consistency, especially for the team like suns and warriors. You give them a breath, it is usually hard to beat them again. We can come back once in game, but it is too mean to ask rockets to come back twice. Luther head is not the one. Also, Bonzi didn't get a hot state in the court. Why did he get so many miniutes?

Finally, yes, Yao sucks today, TMAC seemed not happy from the very beginning. We deserve to lose the game.....


But, I still need to say: The most serious problem is about the head coach!

 

We wasted what little bit of energy we had digging our selves out of that 15 point 1q margin. B.Diddy always has been a thorn in our sides, seems like he gets lay-ups at will. No interior D was a major factor in this one. I just hope Mac lights up Sac Town with another 40+ effort like last season.

 

yeah, because it's not like we have one of the top ranked defenses in the league this year....

 

It just bothered me that the team basically quit, when Golden State started pulling away the Rockets folded up like a cheap tent.

And then Yao and Tmac were on the bench in the 4th laughing it up....

This is the problem......where is the LEADER of this team?

Where is the WIN AT ALL COSTS leader?


That is what this team is missing, a bunch of nice guys by any other name would be panzies !!!

DD

 

This was always going to be a tough game for us. We played above and beyond our regular abilities last night and that raised the bar tonight to a level we just couldnt match.

So , I can deal with this loss.

But I'll be very troubled if we cant get past Sacramento

 

Not that I care, but what happened to Rafer? Diarrhea? I never saw him come back to the bench...and I don't remember the Warriors' announcers (League Pass) saying anything about him.

 

The reason why GSW were so effective because they kept attacking the basket. They didn't settle for jumpers that much, but even they did, it went in. On the other side, all we did was take jumpers for the majority of the game with the exceptions of Steve Francis and Mike James trying to make things happens. But in the end, you aren't going to win much when your two best players don't show up and your leading scorers are lead by your PGs.