ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Warriors 11/29/2007

I wanna see Battiers minutes reduced.he brings nothing. reduce rafers and shane's minutes. give Francis, james and tracy more time on the court together. i believe that is the backcourt pair that will get us somewhere.

James and francis looked great together. they got a nice little understanding going. i love to see that backcourt finishing off games. with steve you have a player who can breakdown people off the dribble and james a very, very good shooter. also james finished most of he's layups tonight.

I hope mike is back. mike and steve>>>>>>>rafer.

 

But friend Yao Ming is a great passer!! Possibly this game was doubly difficult for him especially because Coach'A' has been playing him too many minutes each game

 

depressing loss. not entirely unexpected as this team is one of those "bad matchups" whatever that means.

james shooting well. we really needed scola to get hot to compete in this game. steve and rafer both showed balls tonight. i'm becoming more and more ok with the steve rafer pg tandem that adelman has seemed to have wisened up on. bad game.

also, baron davis is amazing. props to him and harrington for playing stellar games. davis is everything we ever hoped rookie steve francis would turn out to be. i've never thought so before, but more and more, as i see him tear almost anyone who guards him to shreds, i'm beginning to think that he may be... the BEST POINT GUARD IN THE LEAGUE. Maybe only eclipsed by nash, but BD has an unparalleled knack for finding the basket and such incessantly explosive movement off the dribble.

this team is that team that you should beat, and know you can, but it they will never give it to you. some teams we can muscle into playing our half court ball with hustle helpside defense, but this year and last we have been unable to force this team into submission. they ran all night. this team is no heat or grizz, so this loss can be tolerable if seen as a learning experience, and im sure we will learn from it. warriors have 3-4 scoring minded athletic runners on the court at all time, they are not a team to be scoffed at with lots of young talent, many of which could be VERY VERY useful on this roster:
-monta ellis
-marco bellinelli
-baron davis
-kelenna azuibike
......all guards, and maybe i covet them because of our questionable guard set up, but don't yall think that monta would be a perfect fit for our team? i'm aware it would take alot to get him, so probably not happening. just a though

 

amare/skinner do not extend their games out to the 3pt line. if the warriors used biedrins (and nelson was smart not to when yao was in the game), then having yao in is great. but harrington/barnes can shoot the 3. they are really quick defensively. if harrington fronts, they can recover on the weakside if we lob it to yao, which we did several times w/ zero success.

the warriors might be more of a problem for us then the suns b/c the suns have more of a legit big man.

 

How was he the best player? Tmac had him in points but Baron almost averaged a triple double for the series with 25 points, 9 rebounds and 9 assists. He was also close to averaging 3 steals per game that series.

In addition, Baron was the one making plays late in the game while Tmac was shooting jumpers from outside when it mattered.

 

this line up is money

francis pg
james sg
tracy sf
hayes pf
yao c

 

I'll give Wells more chances to play 1 on 1 post up game. He can score. I think now he just doesn't overcome the slump.

 

did u read what i said? it's easier to win and make plays when u have an advantage at every other position on the team tmac played

u know that mashburn guy was pretty good. wesley was pretty good in his hey day. pj brown was also a beast in his hey day.

and tmac actually guarded baron alot in that series too.

 

Chuck only played 9 minutes and didn't start the 2nd half. Blaming him for Yao's game long struggles is a stretch at best. The Suns didn't front Yao nearly as much as GS did, and Amare plays inside so at least Yao can try to contest shots, compared to the wide open perimeter looks he was forced to give Harrington. Yao was a negative for most of the game on both sides.


The whole team had a lack luster defensive effort, and when both our stars have more shot attempts than points while only scoring 11 and 10 points we lose. Especially when Yao has 5 turn overs and his man scores 18 on 70% shooting.

 

Goldenstate looks like a sure playoff team right now...I hope we don't end up playing them in the first round...they are rocket killers

 

Yao is not a great passer. he's passes usually result in turnovers because they are either slow or not good accuracy on it. yao's passing is greatly overrated. thats why adelman thinking he can turn yao into a passing big man is a false notion. put yao in the block and forget all these other nonsense.

We've seen not only yao is not a great passer, he is'nt a shooter either. thats not he's game or strength. he is a terrefic interior scorer. thats it. thats what he should be doing,.

 

I didn't even bring up the wins. If I really wanted to go after the win theory I could have brought up last year when Davis led his team past #1 seed while Tmac failed to take his team past the first round with home court advantage. Dammit!! I just did....

You were the one relying on stats to claim that Tmac was better when your stats don't even back you up when compared to Davis's stats. If you want to fall back on sucky teammates theory then just do it. Don't say "Tmac was best..he average x y and z" when the other player in argument clearly had better numbers.

I watched the entire series and Davis just played a better overall game. It was especially apparent during last moments of the game when Tmac was settling for long jumpers. Then again, this shouldn't be news to Rockets fans.

 

Yeah. bonzi looked better in the second half wen he was posting up ellis and azibuka. he looked better. he's shot was better in the 2nd half.

 

u seriously think davis has to do everything on that team? even the mavs last yr he didn't. look at how the warriors ran up the lead on us with davis sitting down (can we do that with tmac sitting consistently? or any team he has been on?)

did u see how the warriors fared when stephen jackson sat out? yes that's right => 0-6. they're now 8-1 w/ stephen jackson back.

stephen jackson is just as crucial to that team b/c he provides the perimeter defense and the leadership (yes that's right).

davis is a PG so rightfully he can only succeed if he has good teammates to play with. his last few yrs in new orleans he didn't so he really fell off the map for a while. now he has the teammates again w/ scorers galore.

like i said, if davis was on this team, he wouldn't be mentioned as anymore than a pretty good player (trust me on that => peep the game where we just had 4 players scoring last yr).

 

I didn't blame Chuck for Yao's game long struggle. But it's obvious Chuck can't be on the floor for Yao to be successful against the Warriors. Next time we play them, I expect Adelman to try something different. The team has to be prepared to attack the double-team from the get go.

Obviously the focus and effort wasn't there from the players or the coach tonight, which is very disappointing.

 

Glad to see you left out the 32 7 and 7 in your rant.

Like I said, you can use the "Tmac had no one to play with" theory. Just don't try to use the numbers to back it up when clearly that isn't the case.

Considering we have Rafer Alston at the point, I think having Baron Davis on this team would be the second coming of Jesus. Trust me on that.

 

You are seriously overrating how good a passer Yao used to be.

 

Considering tracy had a washedup ewing, pat garrity, old armstrong as he's best players, it's amazing that series went to 7 games.
Davis had, prime jamal mashbourne, prime PJ Brown, prime david wesely etc, etc.

I watched that series to and it was the Hornets depth that won it.

 

You just realized Davis is that good??

He has always been amazing.

He has always been the most gifted PG in the league. Only over the past few years has Nash become as good as him. The only reason Nash is better is that he works harder than Davis and most every other player in the league.

The only thing that ever held Davis back from his rightful place as the best PG in the game was his lack of conditioning and injuries.