ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets vs. Bulls 10/21/2004

I know they had to be smokin' somthing.... Im glad im not a Bulls fan or id be depressed everytime som1 brought this up.

 

Sounds like the Bulls need a new GM. I think their problems go higher than just their players - coaching and management are probably the root of the problem. And considering how huge their market is/could be, I would think the owner would be more aggressive in revamping to get a winning ball club again.

That's one thing I like about Les - he is very aggressive when it comes to winning. If he has to fire or trade a legend, he'll do it. If he has to spend money, he'll do it. If he has to revamp the whole team, he'll do it. As long as it brings improvement and a step closer to a ring, he's willing to do whatever it takes.

-- droxford

 

One Hundread Second!!!!!!!!

I think well win 98-78

EDIT: nevermind the games over, diddnt relize was watching Astros

 

Chandler sucked last night, but Curry played well despite too many turnovers.

Curry:

27 min, 6-10 FGM, 5-7 FTM, 6 REB, 17 Pts (6 TO)

Ming:

28 min, 9-15 FGM, 2-4 FTM, 8 REB, 20 Pts (1 TO)

 

While I don't disagree with this, they have had some bad luck - namely in one draft (Curry / Chandler) and one injury (Williams).

Hinrich will turn out to be more than serviceable, and, at least imo, Deng has old school Scottie Pippen talent and Nocioni can easily be a very good player.

The main problem was they just tried to do it all too fast and too young. Now when they bring veterans in, they are more of the small playing time, role player types. When rebuilding, to stay out of the gutter, you have to have a couple of veterans who log significant minutes and teach the young kids, who are more talented, how to play and how to win. Otherwise, you get screwed and end up with a revolving door of young, talented, kids who don't know how to win.

 

Why does Nachbar still get PT when his offensive output is squat??!!? It seems like you guys are basing your opinion of him entirely on this preseason, in which he has played pretty bad. Last season was pretty much the same. His playing time came because of his hustle and defensive capabilities. Ultimately, this guy looks as though he will not pan out. He still appears to be having difficulties adjusting to the speed of the NBA game and still cannot find his shot. He'll end up not being resigned after this season and moving over to Seattle or Portland, where he'll end up dropping 30 on us next season. But here's to optimism...you never know when someone like him will step it up and take it upon themselves to fulfill their (gulp) potential. Good luck Boki!

 

A: Because Boki and Bowen are the only options at backup SF right now. I think JVG and staff are trying to decide who will spell JJ. If JJ does another year of 40 minutes per game he'll risk injury during the regular season and he won't have any legs come playoffs. Rox need Bowen or Boki (or Sura?) to plug into SF for 10-15 of quality minutes per game.

 

The Bulls' problem is that they can't stick with one plan. They changed courses too many times and now they don't know where they are going. They had a core of Brand, Artest, and Brad Miller. Had they stayed with the group, they would be a decent team now. I think they made a mistake trading Rose and Marshall for a washed out A. Davis and another mistake in trading Crawford. It's very likedly that Curry will be traded before the end of this season. And they will start rebuilding phase No. 3212 and probably get another GM fired.

 

I agree with your assessment...plus it's strange but the Bulls seem to keep getting younger and younger....when will they start trading their lottery picks for some strong vets who can still play (not A. Davis)? Also, it just seems that the coaching staff is inept in teaching / raising their players. I kinda think in order for the bulls to work, they really need to bring an A grade head coach. Just look at what a job H. Brown has done for Memphis.

 

I agree 100%. I really thought JJ had hit his prime early in his career, but it appears he may be hitting it now (again). He is such a solid player who plays his role perfectly...I'd definitely hate to see him miss a significant amount of time with a serious injury.

 

you guys are really too hard on Eddy. He literally killed Mark Blount and Jamal Magloire in the last 2 preseason games. I'll give the credit to Yao's D. It's just hard to get a shot off against him. However, Eddy might be little scared of Yao. Remember the bulls-rockets game last season, he beg the ref for the 6th foul so he could sit on the bench early ... He's still a kid.

The worst play last night came from Boki: When AGriffin was trying to call a timeout, Boki fouled him..

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jerry Krause made the moves for Chandler/Curry and he was replaced with Paxson a little over a year ago.

Looking at Paxson's record since then:

Hinrich
Deng
Nocioni
Duhon
Gordon(the only one that looks questionable)

I wouldn't say a new GM is necessary, just more time given to Paxson to correct his predecessors mistakes. Bulls are headed in the right direction.

 

Anyone that says Boki can't play has either a) not ever played a game of basketball in his life or b) has played basketball and was not very good at it in the first place. The dude can play, and you can see that he can. Basketball players need to get their timing down and the NBA is quicker than any other sport. So to go in practice and to play in games is not even remotely close. Boki will get his time, he will play well and then all of the people that are whining like little girls right now are going to be the same ones that will be riding his jockstrap. Fickle fans try their hardest to make this forum suck, but in the end, they just look like the lil girls trying to act like they're something they're not.. basketball experts.

 

ahahahha quote of the ****ing day. Go Boki!

 

In Paxson's defense, Ben Gordon was heavily touted as a reliable outside gunner. The guy also played in the Connecticutt program which has produced some well known gunners like Ray Allen and Richard Hamilton. If he turns out to be a bricker, it will be going against the trend. Paxson is modeling the Bulls to be the Rockets of old with a dominant postup center and a bunch of solid roleplayers who can shoot the ball.

 

af*ckingMEN!!!

for goodness sakes, people need to freaking chill. I gurantee you, if he doesn't do well this year because he's not given a chance to show what he's got, he's gonna shine somewhere else and then everyone's gonna suck his d*ck then. Stupid bandwagoners

 

If Boki could play he would play. Real talent does not sit on a bench and have DNP coaches decision after their name in the box score, look at how many times that happened last season. Boki is too slow, has an erratic shot and is a dubious defender.

 

I had never really thought about his UConn pedigree, but if he becomes as good as Rip or Ray, I think the Bulls would be pretty happy, since then they would be stacked at PG/SG/SF.

Chandler and Curry are still the big question marks though.

 

I bet Boki had a great point guard working with him in Europe. He's not adjusting to the half-court game at all. He needs a mentor. I believe Peja would not have progressed to where he is now if Vlade wasn't there in his early years. This is why I think Boki is going to sign with the Suns because Mike D'Antoni used to coach him for the euroleague team. He definitely needs to play on an uptempo team with a great point guard. Having a coach who knows how to use his strengths is a requirement.

 

All this Boki talk is boring me to tears. Trade his butt outta here please. Boki Goki.....nuff said.