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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Suns 3/12/2007

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Mar 11, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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    I agree that Tmac plays crap defense but I also don't agree that JVG's schemes work against everyone.

    JVG should have alternatives to team's that have speed on the perimeter...but he doesn't .

    JVG is as big a problem against the better teams as anyone else.

    JVG got outcoached.....again.

    DD
     
  2. durvasa

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    Why would you put Yao in Juwan's spot? What advantage do you think that will give us? If you think Yao is a better passer/mid-range shooter than he is a low post presence, you are very mistaken.

    What you're really asking is for the Rockets offense to be completely revamped. You want us to turn into the Sacramento Kings circa 2003 when we play Phoenix. Yes, that's an unrealistic thing to ask for as an in game adjustment.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    NEWSFLASH !!!!!

    Don't you think that will be the game plan against the Rockets in the playoffs, by pretty much EVERYONE?

    Where is the counter to that strategy? I have been waiting for 3 years to see it.

    JVG must keep it under lock and key and he has forgotten where he put the key.

    DD
     
  4. wnes

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    Well actually JVG got outcoached by Suns' assistant coach. D'Antoni got ejected mid-way through the 3rd quarter, when the game was still within Rockets' reach.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    We could not get the ball to Yao, because of their defense.....

    No no no....I am asking that we put some of that in to counter teams that play the junk the Suns play.

    If you invert Tmac and Yao it gives an entirely new look to the same offense.

    It is not that hard, it is not ROCKET science.....but you can not run the DIT offense against the Suns.....and that junk weakside zone.

    DD
     
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    With the personel we have, we don't have much of a chance. Whenever Tmac and Yao are on the court against the suns we have three defenders (and one is rafer who sucks). You have to give the suns something (jumpers, rolls to the baskets, or shots under the screen). Nash will always get them a quality shot. No coach has found an answer for them. You hope they go cold and that you can take advantage of their suspect d.
     
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    Wow. I love how T-Mac's failure to box out is proof that Van Gundy and not T-Mac is at fault.
     
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    One problem with JVG is that he won't change the 8 man rotation.
    I agree with 8 player rotation for an specific game. JVG tries to fit the same 8 players no matter what the opposition is. When playing teams like Dallas and Phoenix, Snyder should be in the lineup no matter what. Luther should sit when playing against tall and fast teams.
    All I want to see is flexibility.
     
  9. IC2000

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    Do you honestly think we have the personel? The secret is for either of our superstars to step up or our role players to have good games and make people pay.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    yep yep !!

    DD
     
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    Well said!
     
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    Can't agree more!!!
     
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    Bingo. Whether we were tired or just didn't try hard enough, we simply got out-hustled for nearly the entire game. There's not a coach in the league who's got schemes clever enough to cover for a lack of effort on the part of his players.
     
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    you cant really counter your 2 superstars not performing in a game. However you team should be built in a way where if the superstars are not at 100% you can still pull out wins throught good rotation players and smart plays. Problem is if you take Yao and Tmac away aint that much left in the rockets.
     
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    We just cannot be better when we meet the teams like Suns.

    We were totally owed by them.

    Yao did not have a good game, which is not surpised coz to consider this was just the 5 games for him after the injury.

    But 8-28 for Tmac...man... We cannot beat any good teams in the L if Tmac shoot like that.

    Maybe someone would blame becoz of this is another B2B situation for Rox. But as you can see, we just can catch the speed of the Sun and I dont think we can even we are within full energy. No Defense at all, Rafer was just sux, Nash was too quick for him. No offense either, Head could not make the wide open shots. In general, we sucked this game... :mad:

    If JVG still keep running the team like that, we wont see a champion with his coaching... Never...!!!
     
  16. DaDakota

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    IC2000....yes we have the personel.

    And the Superstars can not step up when they are both doubled or covered by quicker players.

    Agreed with you about the role players needing to take advantage.....that is our ONLY chance against that junk defense.

    But we are really lacking another player on the perimeter who ATTACKS the basket and creates for himself or others...someone to make the other team's pay when they ignore everyone else and guard Yao and TMac like tonight.

    There are 2 players on the bench who can do that role....Snyder and V-Span....both would be good at attacking the rim when the opponents ignore everyone else.

    Think of it this way...we need a Chuck Hayes type of cutter/diver on the perimeter someone to make the other team pay for their lack of attention.

    DD
     
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    117 to 100 Warriors beat the Mavs. I guess Don Nelson owns Avery(2-0)
     
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    Yao got himself to the free throw line. And he got plenty of shots -- he was just missing them. That's not the problem.

    We ran an inverted offense when Yao wasn't in the game. It didn't work. Shawn Marion isn't an easy guy to post up. What makes you think it would be any more effective with Yao in the high post instead of Juwan?
     
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    We never lost because of offense.

    It's the defense that matters. We got in panic when our defense didn't work! Then they can't hit open 3s. We were simply too slow and our boards were always blown out when we play with mavs and suns. Simple and pure, we were slow. Our two superstars were easy to fatigue. You have to face the reality. you got to use your benches to keep your starters fresh and energetic. Sometimes 8 men rotations work, but simplly it won't work for suns and mavs.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Again, I am saying mix it up some. Yao did get a lot of free throw ops which is good but most of Yao's shots were very contested by more than 2 players. Yao would have been better off passing to open players tonight than forcing the shot against a double team...but the problem is that the Suns play a triangle around Yao to stop the 3pt shooting....so there is a great open space right at the free throw line, but for some reason we never use it.



    J-Ho had a very good game tonight....and what makes it more effective is that Yao is a much better player than J-ho is every regard, shooting, passing etc.

    DD
     

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