ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Spurs 10/26/2007 (PRESEASON)

Assuming that you are correct and he can't expand his game in this way, then I hope that he improves his low post passing.

I hope to see continued improvement out of him, why can't you?

 

I knew Snyder does not fit into this offense awhile i said that all along...this dude is selfish and don't pass the ball and only jacking up shot...that's why i don't know why they even keep him instead of Harris. He and Francis but Francis is actually better.

 

The top of the key/elbow is the "triple threat" position. The three things you can do from that position are pass to anywhere on the floor, shoot the ball, and drive to the hoop. You need to be able to do all 3 in order to be effective from that position. Yao can't drive, while Duncan can, so to guard Yao at the high post all the defender has to do is crowd him, while the other defenders bump/stick to their assignments. Apparently our team's off-ball movement isn't very good because there weren't any open cutters for Yao to find today, while he was being swarmed so he couldn't shoot. If Duncan were in that situation, he'd drive to the hoop. Yao can't do that, so he was essentially a stiff standing at the elbow.

Rofflesaurus... not only are you a Yao hater and a Rockets hater... you don't even get your facts straight. In one breath you say Yao sucks because he gets blocked too much and turns the ball over too much, in the next you say that Dwight Howard will be the MDE. Guess what, Yao got blocked 8% of the time last year, Howard 10%. TEN IS GREATER THAN EIGHT. Dwight Howard also turned the ball over more per game and at a higher rate. Clearly you're just hating on Yao for the sake of hating on him.

 

he has played under JVG for 3 yrs. and i admit JVG has used yao very well in the low post. but he has physical limitations that limit what he can do. he can't move very well or pass out fast enough when we play small teams that swarm. physically he just can't.

and if we play him in the low post, he'll take up a lot of space b/c he's just that big. u notice how he's in the high post, tmac has ALL this room to operate that we've rarely seen as he can go baseline, go straight to the basket when he is himself at the high post.

so the only passes he can make are to 3pt shooters. it's hard to cut and do a lot of movement when yao is in the post. it's just is.

but i think adelman will strike a balance w/ yao inside his low post positions 90% of the time.

 

Yao Ming has the highest shooting percentage on the team, hes an excellent free throw shooter, hes the most efficient scorer on the team, Hes ERP48M led the entire league.
yep, hes our #1 option.

 

i dont think he's selfish. it just looks like he's trying too hard. i think it's unfair to call him selfish when we havent seen him with tmac and yao on the court. when we saw him last year, i didnt think he was selfish at all

 

but you can be a rockets fan and bash mcgrady...that makes too much sense

i think he's WAY WRONG to think we're a good team without yao, but that doesnt mean he's not a fan.

 

I don't remember Divac or Brad Miller taking defenders off the dribble very often. Weren't they effective in the high post?

Yao, hell the entire team, needs to get the timing down for all the cuts. The more comfortable everyone becomes with the system, the more often players will get open. It's going to be a learning process. And, again, if all the options are exhausted, then Yao passes to a guard on the perimeter, and sets a screen. Pick and roll is still a pretty good play, when other options are squashed.

 

I missed the game but caught a bit of it towards the end of the 3rd quarter. Can anyone summarize the game's development? How did our starters/rotation look like? Did the primary units hold their ground? Thanks

 

I guess I was wrong then, it was game 1 that YAO kept us alive until TMAC woke up

But I wouldn't say TMAC did 90% in game 7. YAO had good second half, especially in the 4th. TMAC had good first half,

 

i don't want to get into it but i just feel tmac can create and do so much more offensively that he can change the game in so many ways. he can adjust to any defenses.

but they're both top options so i don't want to get into that.

 

29 and 13 accounting for all but 7 baskets. i say that's 90%. hell that's more than 90% offensively.

 

You kind of made my point for me. Divac/Miller were effective in the high post because they spent the entire game hanging around the top of the key waiting for kickout passes. Their offense consists of 20 foot jumpers. You can't be telling me you want Yao to play like that. If he plays like that, sure he'll get open jumpers, he'll also be half the player he should be.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather not see Yao running around setting screens as his offense. Any big stiff can do that. Yao can do much better.

 

I think it's better to use Scola to do pick and roll ....he's very good at pick and roll and receive pass for easy layup as i seen him play in the FIBA games. Maybe Scola should replace Yao in the highpost and just let you stay in the low post.

 

what do you mean? there were total 22 Ast from ROX. He had great 2nd, 6 ast, 9 overall from first half.

YAO had 29 points from 9-20 shooting, 11-13 FG. 1-2 points from 2nd with something like 0-6 FG (horrible). but he score 15 in the 4th and gave us the lead..

 

the rockets had 34 fg made. tmac had 12 fgs + 13 asists => 25 fgs total. so he accounted for ALL but 9 fgs made of the team. 25/34 => so i was wrong, it was not 90% => it was 74% but that exaggeration was to show how much tmac really did.

usually a guy accounting for 33% of an offense is A LOT and u should lessen the load. but tmac doubled that.

 

Being effective at something doesn't mean you did it a bunch of times during the game. It means that the play, on average, yields good results for the team. The plan has always been for Yao to be mostly a low post scorer, while mixing in high post offense. Adelman has said that he wants about 2/3 of Yao's touches to come in the low post, and 1/3 to be in the high post. And the more effective Yao is in the high post, the easier it will be for him to establish strong position in the low post. Both aspects should eventually compliment each other.

Tim Duncan sets a bunch of screens on offense for his team. Probably more than Yao did last year. Does that make him a big stiff? And no one ever suggested that all Yao should do is run around and set screens. What he needs to do is vary his offensive game. If you look at his numbers last season, as the game progressed they got worse and worse. Why? Because (1) Yao tired quickly because on every one of his positions he had to fight for low position, and (2) the defenses can adjust more easily when you keep running the same plays over and over.

 

very good post. but yao has worsened at the high post. he's not as mobile as tim duncan nor is he as fundamentally sound as duncan.

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/5250343.html

 

sure he had great overall game and did what he could do. Game 7 just like gam1 but YAO/TMAC exchanged their positions.

Well, there were 24-34 FT and 5-9 from TMAC. But who knows how many possible AST froom him...BUt saying he was the ONLY man for 3.5 Qtrs is too much. YAO had good game in the second from both end of floor, especially took over in the 4th, completely..