ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Pistons 11/18/2006

Just got back from Tony's Romas what did I miss?

 

this sux... van gundy makes me hate wasting 2.5 hours every other day.

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Because we are using the freaking exact role players from last year save for Battier and Snyder. Oh Padgett too - big upgrade there huh? I pointed this out before but people poopoo-d it. The run in Feb-Mar last year - even though we were winning and arguably playing the best we had been, our offensive efficiency sucked eggs. Now we are relying on the same bunch against decent teams which should be jailed for indecent exposure by they way they are baring just how sucky our role-players are.

Put Novak and VSpan into the game. Get Bonzi into the game.

 

I will take SLOAN over JVG 100 out of 100 times.

Sloan gets the best out of his players, and more often then not make them better than what they are.

JVG gets the worst out of his players, and quite often make players worse than what they are.

I cannot support JVG any more. He is not gonna take rox to a championship, and that is not acceptable

 

You are an idiot. Face it. It's sad but true.

 

The other thing JVG sucks is that he mechanically manages the foul trouble players minutes. Today is a good example: T-Mac got 4 fouls and JVG sat him down in the 3rd quarter at 10:24 mark and played Yao for the whole 3rd quarter. T-Mac came out in the 4th quarter stone cold in tight defense and Yao was also tired. Sometimes, coaches have to leave their foul-trouble player on the court to let them learn how to play with foul trouble and still be effective.

 

Not sure what you guys are all upset about. If we had Hayes, this is definitely a win for us. Rasheed killed us - Padget and JH can't defend Sheed and had a bad shooting night too. So their contribution was zero and it was 4 against 5. That's when I have to agree with some of the posters that JVG is too rigid a coach. On a night like this, play Novak - at least he can shoot, which may banlance out the mismatch on the defensive end. Rockets always had problem playing Pistons - all because of Sheed.

BTW, when will Hayes come back?

 

2 TOs: steal BY R.Murry 85:91
traveling (BS call) 85:93

those two hurting us so bad

 

I won't do it ! I won't have inexperienced NBA players on the court, it doesn't matter what they can or cannot do, I will have my way till the last game is lost.
I don't care how obvious it is to everyone else, I am the cOACh and its my way or no way! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! No I won't give them experience because then I wouldn't have any real excuse for not playing them. I like Padgett and Howard because they are experienced veterans and they come to play every game and they know my system and I can rely on them!

 

Anyone think JVG overplays the starters?

Vspan and Novak didn't got any chance,and we loss,that't really sucks.

I can accept the loss, but I can't accept bench rookies one game after another.

 

Of course. Yao gets tired, and his effectiveness generally drops significantly late in games. Everyone knows this.

That's wrong. Trivial example: What's more valuable -- scoring the first basket in the game, or scoring the game winner? The value of a made shot (or anything you do during the course of a game) is proportional to how it improves your chances of winning. Simply, what you do late in close games matters much more than what you do early on or when you're up big. It may not seem that way in the boxscore, but that's common sense.

Just stop. Committing 8 turnovers in a game is a big deal. Particularly when you end up losing that game. To call it "nitpicking" to point that out is just ridiculous.

Yao is a very good player. He did a lot of good things in the game. But he's not at the level to where you can really depend on him in crunch time late in games, because (as you point out) he gets tired and he doesn't make quick decisions with the ball in traffic. It's silly to say Yao played a great game and ignore what he didn't do -- have any sort of positive impact in the fourth quarter when it mattered most.

What I'm saying is other players need to step up, get more involved, and produce late in games instead of stubbornly trying to to get the ball in to Yao all the time. That clearly isn't a critique solely of Yao. It's a problem the entire team needs to address.

 

Exactumundo!!!

I have been saying this too....

JVG has 2 stars, 2 top 10 NBA players and he comes up with a gameplan to minimize the output.

Sloan takes 0 supertstars, takes a bunch of role players, and molds them to fit his system.

Sloan has a sytem that works!!! JVG has a system that gets abused!

Hate the Jazz all you want but JVG doesnt even come close to comparing to Sloan.

 

LOL...looks like you don't agree with what yourself has said a few minutes ago. You said Yao killed the game in the 4th because he had 2 TOs. Then you said 1 of the 2 was a BS call. So did Yao kill the game or did the referees do it? Make up your mind.

 

Rafer Alston and Juwan Howard's Taj Mahal.

They were able to raise it up in less than 2.5 hours at the Detroit Palace.

 

I believe you are an idiot, not me. And this type of language doesnt mean anything here.

 

I said the truth. Like I said, it's sad but true. Sorry if the truth hurted you.

 

Sigh, how 2 so-called winning points are important the first 2 points in a game? Without those 2 first points, your last 2 points would be garbage stats collection points! In a 87-88 game, your last 2 ponts put you over at 89, but if you didn't have your first 2 points, it would be 85-88, and your last 2 points would be garbage. What's so difficult to understand?

Like you said, everyone knows the huge 7-6 guy gets tired easier than those 6-6 guys. He won't have energy left in the 4th quarter, if he is forced to play 12 minutes in the 3rd. Everyone knows it is impossible, and you still expect that from him? Is that his fault or yours?

 

Oh you called name. Then you said that kind of language doesn't mean anything in the next sentence. You have proved that you are very intelligent.

 

from 2 points to 8 pts game, YAO had 2 missing FG and 2 TOs. Yes, that was a BS call, but it was on him.

Again, He did what he should/could do. JVG did bad job

 

So did he kill the game? or

did the referees kill the game? or

did JVG killed the game?

Make up your mind now.