ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Nuggets 4/6/2013

All NBA first team is basically the superstars

Paul
Wade
Lebron
Durant
Duncan

Kobe is probably 2nd team but its pretty much a given he is one due to being the best player in the NBA for most of the decade.

 

You're really making me scratch my head here roxxy. That is probably a bigger wtf, even though Chandler is good. I don't know how to answer that, but I posted who I considered to be one.

In regards to WB vs Harden, post season play? Harden was the reason they made it to the finals, yea he laid a turd when they got there but he was far more inexperienced. There is no way you can ignore WB absolute turd like play chucking away more than the best scorer in the game (Durant) and complete meltdowns. That is just a bogus argument.

 

Well, it depends how many players are considered elite.

To me, stats is not the only gauge and it may not even be the most important indicator.

Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, etc, those are true elite. They lead their team to Championships and they dominate the games.

Dirk, Durant, Nash, Drexler, etc, who are also elite players. They dominate their position and they are the leaders of their respective team which achieved significant victories in the playoffs.

Tmac, Yao, Dwight, Carmelo, etc are all great talents but in the end, they are judged by what they have accomplished.

Harden has great talent and has a great season in terms of stats. But unless he can lead his team to win a playoff series, I only regard him as a great talent.

 

Just one last thing, I've been thinking about this for a while now, I don't think saying Lebron is not the best all the time proves P3 to be true because P3 states that no player is the best all the time. So P3 says that no players belong to the set all players are not the best all the time. So for P3 to be true you need all players to not be the best all the time not just Lebron.

Tell me what you think, need your input!

 

Marc Gasol is better than Tyson Chandler. Marc is closer to superstar status than his brother has ever been as he is a bruising defensive anchor that is also quite skilled offensively. Chandler's offensive skillset is limited to the PNR and lobs for alley-hoops. Marc is an instant game-changer on both ends.

 

Glad I didn't watch this, looks like we only had the hot hand for the 1st quarter and then just got whipped. What worries me most is how Harden really fades against most upper-echelon Western teams. That's why we need one and at least one or two more scoring threats off the bench. They can just zone in on Harden and we're lost. Right now that is okay, but if it leads to Harden being taken out completely so no defense at all & trying to force things then it's up to him, teammates and especially coaches to put him in his place.

 

I don't dispute that Harden was the reason they made it to the finals. But Harden was also coming off the bench. All i am saying is that lets see how Harden plays as the main guy in the post season first. I don't see what is wrong with that. And like I also said Russ is much more engaged on the defensive end than James.We have seen Westbrook as a main option in the post season play well on both sides of the ball. We have yet to see that with James. I also did say that Harden is a budding superstar & I stand by that. If he was better defensively he would be a superstar this season.

 

But I do agree that Gasol is better than Harden. Unless a guard has MJ-like ability, he would always take a backseat to a dominant center.

 

Marc Gasol is currently a star - right on the verge of superstardom. And he'll have a better playoffs than Harden, and will make that leap.

He's like Manu, his #s don't show the great difference he makes on both ends. He's a big reason why Memphis is getting homecourt. You swap Marc Gasol with Harden on this team, and the Rockets are 5th-6th seed: Gasol/Smith/Parsons/Delfino/Lin.

 

He is good defensively but WB erratic behavior and francis/iverson mentality is an even bigger problem than Harden's lack of D. Not only that, Harden's court vision is better and OKC would probably be better with him and Durant, give me a dominant wing Combo over a 3 & 1 any day. Russel plays like a 2 yet takes over the PG spot. There are too many negatives in his game to call him a superstar when acknowledging the one negative that prevents Harden from being one.

In the end it is subjective and I respect a difference of opinion. Tyson Ch. isn't a superstar though, by any means.

 

injury prone, gimme Harden.

Thats speculation but if he does then obviously you will be right but you are kind of stretching it. Marc Gasol to me is one of the few true big men in the NBA and can really make some strides.

 

I agree it is subjective. And find it odd that a DPOY, NBA champion, Olympic gold medalist & NBA All star isn't a superstar in peoples eyes. But once again subjective.

 

From Blaiyan.

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P3 can be disproved by any perfect player who is the best, all the time.

 

I consider Durant a better scorer also, what I meant was that Melo is the 1st in PPG right now in the NBA.

 

Marc Gasol is better all around but Chandler was defensive player of the year last year.

If Marc Gasol was on the Mavs instead of Chandler 2 years ago, would the Mavs still have gone all the way?

 

Didn't get to watch the game until last 5mins, figured a loss anyway, surprise Lin had good stats on 2nd of b2b night, although team gassed.

 

This is Hardens first year as a starter in the NBA and he has carried this team the youngest team in the leauge for a playoff spot (hopefully we'll clinch the 7th or 8th spot).

I would say he is a borderline superstar and next season he should take one more step to become a superstar.

 

Assuming that all other things are constant (Lebron craps his pants, Dirk goes insane)....Yes. And they could even have won in a more convincing manner as you would have two skilled seven footers against an undersized team. In fact, I quite like the idea of the best stretch four ever being paired with a near superstar 7ft center against a notoriously undersized team...would have been fun.

 

= play D.