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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Nets 11/15/2004

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. dabien1

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    You're an idiot. Why can't you just accept the fact that Yao is good regardless of his stats? His presence in EACH game is enough to make opponents adjust on his behalf. Think about it :rolleyes:
     
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    :( Please don't quote him. put him on ignore list instead.
     
  3. Charvo

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    This is the kind of officiating that the NBA has tried to eliminate with their warning of tighter officiating. Having the paint become a wrestling match is a recipe for low scoring games because everyone is forced to shoot from outside to get any points. I can understand wanting to give the Nets the advantage from the officiating standpoint, but it's ludicrous to see the grappling and clutching that can happen in the paint without any calls. Yao will never have a good game when defenders who are physically stronger than him to push him in the back aggressively with the elbow. Yao's upperbody strength is increased, but it's nowhere near the level of strength of guys like Mourning. Look at Yao's arms. They are toothpicks compared to Mourning's. Look at Shaq's arms. They are cannons. This is why KG developed his jumpshot all the way out to the perimeter. Only strong SOBS with cannons and strong midsections can flourish solely in the low post. Tim Duncan doesn't play solely in the low post. Pau Gasol doesn't play solely in the low post. Yao should not play solely in the low post.

    In other words, Yao needs to practice his jumpshot or else he will be a non-factor in games where there wrestling matches in the paint without any fouls.
     
  4. happy_bing

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    In fact, Integration of yaoming and tmac is still a problem.
     
  5. Stack24

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    yeah i noticed that too. i guess he got benched after the showing in LA...he had a couple mental mistakes and that cost him with JVG.
     
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    Okay, you are hired.
     
  7. YallMean

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    All I want say about this game is Wow Nets are bad this year. :D
    We better get out azz together, we could be killed by Hawks and Kevin Wills if we played like tonight.
    If Yao doesnt go up 30+ pts against Hawk's front court, I will be real angry. :eek:
     
  8. HoustonForever

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    I'm confident that Yao will be aggressive in the games to follow. It's interesting that a lot of Rocket fans bash him when he doesn't score much, yet praise him when he scores. I think Rocket fans should be supportive of him, regardless.

    I believe it's simply a matter of time before he matures into the player people believe he will become.
     
  9. YallMean

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    Yeah against Kevin Willis, Jason Collier company. I think they can make Yao look like Garnet down low.
     
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    Yao Ming is a great player in my opinion. One of his weaknesses though is that he tends to shy away from contact. Hopefully, as the season progresses, he will begin to revel in the physical contact the NBA has to offer. He has an excellent shooting touch, especially for a player of his size.

    I'd like to see him master the sky hook. Hopefully, he'll start dunking the ball with great authortity on a regular basis.

    How do you think Yao can improve?
     
  11. Charvo

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    Yao's play on the court is almost dictated 100% by how the refs call fouls on the defenders assigned to him. Every single SOB in the entire NBA knows that Yao is vulnerable to the aggressive, physical defense. Every referee knows that too. In the games in which the refs aren't allowing this manhandling (vs Lakers), Yao can look like the man. In the games in which the refs are calling nothing in the paint, Yao looks like a POS. He's worse than Dikembe as far as affecting the game when refs don't call fouls on the defenders. Yao needs to develop his jumpshot in order to prevent this inconsistency in his game. Take the game out of the ref's hands when they are acting like biased garbage.
     
  12. Charvo

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    Rik Smits got tired of the banging in the paint. He retired early.
     
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    If Yao counters the aggressive, physical defense with his own counteroffensive, do you think the referees will eventually allow him to get the types of calls that other superstars get? If that happens, do you still think it will be better for him to become solely a perimeter center, or have an assault amalgamating a perimeter attack and low-post moves a la Hakeem the Dream?
     
  14. Charvo

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    There's a middle ground between a Shaq and a Brad Miller. Shaq is a genetic freak in terms of how proportionate he is at his height. It is genetically impossible for Yao to attain the strength that Shaq has to dominate in the paint like Shaq does. Brad Miller is smart. He knows he doesn't have the physical tools of a Shaq, so he perfects a jumpshot that is unequaled among big men. Without a jumpshot, Yao is relegated to a role in which he is at the mercy of the refs.
     
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    I'd like to see Yao dominate the paint defensively and throw dunks hard in the faces of his opposition.
     
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    only 2 rebs, c'mon yao. yao needs to care more about rebounding than his pts. He will get his pts but its hard for him to get rebs. Our whole team needs a rebounding practice. Please JVG arrange one.
     
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    So no Boki. I sure hope they don't start a trend where Boki only plays when someone is hurt. He seems to be one of those spark for the fire players. I didn't get to see the game or make the chat so I read the espn recap.
     
  18. Davidoff

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    I think cause Boki didnt play is why we won...HEHE J/J I am a big BOKI fan
     
  19. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    When the refs are ****ting all over Yao, he needs to just start dropping his shoulder and bulling his way all the way to the hoop. Eventually, the refs are going to have to adjust, either by not calling the offensive foul on Yao (the Shaq rules), or by starting to call the fouls on the defenders. Right now, Yao is not adjusting to the biased refs, so he just has these horrible games, and it looks like he is just not playing well so nothing changes. He needs to adjust to put the onus on the refs to make a change.
     
  20. kaleidosky

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    Did anyone post about the NJN announcers on YES? They were some of the best TV guys I've ever heard. I always thought Bill and Calvin were amongst the best...finally I found some guys that deserve to be up with them too.
     

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