ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Mavericks 11/5/2007

Actually, I don't see TOFs blaming the loss on T-Mac except you. Most are defending him. Feel free to provide examples if that's not the case.

In fact, I actually see people attacking Yao in other threads for "playing like a p***y" for not demanding the ball.

 

I think tonight's game is a good indication that until the maturation process materializes for our team, we are still inferior to Dallas, as they had Harris, George, Dampier all sitting on the bench injured while Dirk had a relatively off game.

Yao gave me a huge scare with his fall, hopefully his ankle doesn't swell up too much after tonight's game.

 

Didn't see you backing off after the Utah game. All Yao fans knew he played a miserable game.

 

Rockets have lost 16 of the last 21 games against the Mavericks

 

We lost this game at the end of the 3rd quarter. We had Josh Howard AND Dirk on the bench with 4 fouls, and we had James, TMac, and Yao in the game. TAKE IT TO THE HOLE, AND DRAW FOULS. Instead, we get a pull up Tmac jumper from 20 ft, a Jerry Stackhouse 3, a LUIS SCOLA JUMPER FROM 20 FT, a Jason Terry bucket, and then a broken TMac jumper at the buzzer. We needed to establish ourselves in that stretch, and we didn't take the ball to the hole one time during that entire time.

That, and we had no 4th quarter defense at all. But the momentum had already swung to the Mavs by that point.

 

What an awesomely useless stat right now...

 

im really confident that we can beat the spurs tonight

 

Fine by me.

But who would you rather have not playing in a game? Who would you rather have on the bench at any given time in a game?

According to last seaon's stats without each player, i'd say T-Mac is more important to the Rockets right now than Yao. But make of it what you will. You can't deny the record the team had without either player respectively.

And it's not just TOFs or YOFs that come out, it's also fairweather fans. You're beating up on the team after a tough game played against a great team? On the road? New team, new system, etc.? Yeah T-Mac didn't play the best game, but he played a good one. 31 shots is too much at 38% yeah i agree but he takes 3 less shots and your already at 43/44% and that's pretty good. 3 shots in the course of a game are nothing. He still is shooting pretty well for the season and you should watch to see how he shoots tomorrow, and over the course of the season.

Were you expecting a win? yeah we COULD have won, but every game COULD be won, but there are a lot of reasons they aren't. Today, no contribution from Bonzi or Mike James, poor shooting by McGrady (but not poor shot selction, mind you), crumbling on the road down the stretch, etc. were our downfall.

McGrady is not a lights out shooter, but if he's driving in and attacking the basket this much then i guarantee you his % will go up and 31 shots will be justified. Tonight, 31 shots were not i give you that. but then again, 31 shots, if you want to play just by the numbers and very specifically, then yeah he had a terrible game, but if you want to look at it on the whole, he played a good game for the most part. I agree that Yao shot extremely well and should have got more touches but he didn't for whatever reason, and don't say something like T-Mac was too busy shooting 38% to pass to Yao because you know that's not true.

Yao has his problems too. Everyone does. Just work around it.

I think if Mike James and Bonzi contribute somewhat like Josh Howard and Jason Terry, we have Dallas beat everytime.

 

Agreed. I actually think we match up better with the Spurs than we do with the Mavs.

 

Not really. I'm a Mavs fan if you didn't already know. And that's pure pwnage!!!

 

yep i know tim will have a monster game but i think the they can lock tony parker and manu up like they did last yeat

 

and w/o yao, i can say we can be a .600 team or better. we were .600 last yr. that's how much tmac can do. tmac does so many things stats don't cover.

and again, so you're saying kobe's shooting is a fluke last night 13-19 after 2 straight games of 40%. melo shot 8-24 last night? bron is shooting 40%.

tmac will have subpar games. even in his best season in 02-03 when he averaged 32.1 pts, check his game log. he had PLENTY (like 12-15 games where he shot around 30-35%). and a few more where he shot less than 45%. but u balance that w/ the good games.

tmac wil have bad shooting games. he'll have good shooting games. but the GOOD THING is when he shoots bad, he goes to the line.

 

and also, tmac took 3 desperation shots just so we can have a crack at the lead w/ 2 mins left when dallas had a double digit lead.

so actually he shot 12/28 => 44%. so that's not bad actually. but hey, who's keeping stats.

 

I'm sooooooooo frustrated right now!!!!!!!

 

Oh trust me, I knew.

The reason that that stat is useless is fairly blatantly obvious. This thread is about tonights game. Second, it includes exactly how many injury ridden games with Yao and/or T-Mac out. Third, this is a new regime with a new system. Etc, etc...


But hey, y'all are the ones hanging full sized banners to commemorate winning the division...

 

You see dude, I was going to use that logic, but you can't really.

I mean, if you think about it, everyone then *technically* would have their stats affected by buzzer beaters, etc.

Everyone's stats would be higher if you just discounted thrown up buzzer beaters and shots like that...it defeats the purpose if you don't hold it constant across the board though... so yeah, not the best way to defend a bad shooting night, lol.

 

I don't know if T-mac could replicate his miracle run last year with that squad. He played out of his mind, which is something that I don't expect him to do for extended periods of time. He drove to the basket more often than I last remembered... So that's definitely encouraging.

 

Yep, he gets more FT's b/c he's driving more. He's driving more b/c Yao is vacating the lane, oh crap where does Yao draw all his fouls? How about near the basket? His FT's are down to the lowest levels since his rookie year. Obviously you're fine with this b/c you like seeing McGrady put up numbers, but Yao's fouls are better than McGrady's fouls since he gets people in foul trouble and he's a better FT shooter. Having McGrady shoot more FT's and Yao shooting less is not a good idea.

 

why would you bring that up?

 

haha yeah

but so is getting beat by the 8th seed in 6 games. tmac and yao aint the only ones not getting out the first round.